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Jan 23, 2018 15:40:09   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Ariel wrote:
And more nonsense


I figured.

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Jan 23, 2018 15:44:46   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
I am sorry - and a bit embarrassed. This conversation has become too intellectual for a person of my less-than-stellar level of intelligence. While I would like to continue to follow this conversation, I must do so in the shadows and withhold further input. I must, however, make one observation. It seems that one or two of the contributors is reverting to pseudointellectualism, a device often used by those with limited education, training and/or practical experience to properly express themselves.

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Jan 23, 2018 15:56:44   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Perhaps a bit of humor is in order- to offset some of the other back and forth.

A billionaire business mogul found that is palatial living room to be rather bare- austere, in terms of wall décor. He understood that “art” was the “in thing” to own and display in high society and it could be a good investment as well. Not knowing much about “art” he enlisted the expertise of his wife- a long time aficionado and patron of the arts, to make some acquisitions to adorn their home.

The next day, he returned home and found 2 enormous “abstract” oil paintings prominently displayed in his living room. One depicted a thin horizontal red line on a black field. The other had the same red line but and additional white dot about 2/3 into the composition.

Not wanting to seem totally uninformed or visually inept, he complimented his wife's choice with some reluctance in his voice and inquired as the her investment. She said they were a bargain a 12 million dollars for the pair. At that point he was taken aback and questioned the price stating that anyone can create such images with a paint roller and a string. She retorted, “but dear, this is the work of a prominent word acclaimed artist- his work hangs at the Guggenheim Museum, The Metropolitan, the Louvre...the design, the sense of balance and color, the contrast, the composition- The UTTER SIMPLICITY! Simplicity is SO important”! The billionaire pondered, stroked his chin and said “let's compromise...the one with the single line stays, the one with the additional dot goes back...I find it too busy”!

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Jan 23, 2018 16:12:49   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Perhaps a bit of humor is in order- to offset some of the other back and forth.

A billionaire business mogul found that is palatial living room to be rather bare- austere, in terms of wall décor. He understood that “art” was the “in thing” to own and display in high society and it could be a good investment as well. Not knowing much about “art” he enlisted the expertise of his wife- a long time aficionado and patron of the arts, to make some acquisitions to adorn their home.

The next day, he returned home and found 2 enormous “abstract” oil paintings prominently displayed in his living room. One depicted a thin horizontal red line on a black field. The other had the same red line but and additional white dot about 2/3 into the composition.

Not wanting to seem totally uninformed or visually inept, he complimented his wife's choice with some reluctance in his voice and inquired as the her investment. She said they were a bargain a 12 million dollars for the pair. At that point he was taken aback and questioned the price stating that anyone can create such images with a paint roller and a string. She retorted, “but dear, this is the work of a prominent word acclaimed artist- his work hangs at the Guggenheim Museum, The Metropolitan, the Louvre...the design, the sense of balance and color, the contrast, the composition- The UTTER SIMPLICITY! Simplicity is SO important”! The billionaire pondered, stroked his chin and said “let's compromise...the one with the single line stays, the one with the additional dot goes back...I find it too busy”!
Perhaps a bit of humor is in order- to offset som... (show quote)


So you've been to the White House?

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Jan 23, 2018 16:44:33   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Ariel wrote:
How strange ........to be judged on what one hopes .

No, they are being evaluated on their aspirations and area of accomplishment. We compare Cy Young to other baseball pitchers, not to basketball guards. We compare Johnny Wooden to other college basketball coaches, not to professional baseball managers

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Jan 23, 2018 17:04:15   #
Ariel
 
rehess wrote:
No, they are being evaluated on their aspirations and area of accomplishment. We compare Cy Young to other baseball pitchers, not to basketball guards. We compare Johnny Wooden to other college basketball coaches, not to professional baseball managers


That you have clarified your original comment is well and good enough ... other comparisons of baseball and basketball
have no standing in the observations.

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Jan 23, 2018 17:06:44   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Ariel wrote:
That you have clarified your original comment is well and good enough ... other comparisons of baseball and basketball
have no standing in the observations.

Just as comparisons of art photography and street photography would have no place here.

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Jan 23, 2018 17:11:55   #
Shutterbug57
 
Ariel wrote:
Don't know what are crazy filters -effects etc . perhaps you could explain ... also a hack ... indoor terms


I could, but I shan’t. I have learned that is pointless with you. Further, I have no idea what indoor terns.

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Jan 23, 2018 17:58:38   #
Ariel
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
I could, but I shan’t. I have learned that is pointless with you. Further, I have no idea what indoor terns.


I just bet you could .......

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Jan 24, 2018 01:32:02   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
Check the f/64 manifesto. Again this is within the context of that philosophy. The definition of manipulation itself, of course varies from person to person. Given the limitless possibilities of processing and techniques employed by art photographers, I have begun to consider dodging and burning as not exactly manipulation give that the content of the scene has remained unaltered but again that is me. All opinions and views are welcome and should be respected.


we are in agreement.

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Jan 24, 2018 10:17:53   #
Ariel
 
wj cody wrote:
we are in agreement.


What a bizarre observation....

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Jan 24, 2018 10:28:34   #
Shutterbug57
 
Somebody needs to put a fork in this thread.

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Jan 24, 2018 10:36:48   #
Ariel
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
Somebody needs to put a fork in this thread.


If it displeases you quit reading, go somewhere else ...if you have any intelligent observation let's read it

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Jan 24, 2018 12:22:08   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Ariel wrote:
If it displeases you quit reading, go somewhere else ...if you have any intelligent observation let's read it


There can be no intelligent observation except your observation, Ariel.

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Jan 24, 2018 12:37:28   #
Ariel
 
TheDman wrote:
There can be no intelligent observation except your observation, Ariel.


Aaah shucks !!!!!!!! you found me out ....you are clever if nothing else

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