Ariel

As long as you consider them artists you will miss the point of the observations which you mistakenly
deem to be anger issues and rants .

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

This could be a very interesting discussion about photography, why do we need to focus on anger issues and rants?

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Not artists???

How would you characterize them??

Ariel

As journeyman photographers .....

TheDman Loc: USA

That's the great thing about art, we all have our preferences.

Shutterbug57

So, unless you tart up a photograph with all sorts of crazy effects/graphics/themes/etc., you are a hack?

Ariel

Don't know what are crazy filters -effects etc . perhaps you could explain ... also a hack ... indoor terms

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

Yes, but art is not defined by what we happen to like. I like this, you like that, she likes something else; but all of it is art.

Someone who defines the quality of art by what they like and do not like has no understanding of art! (And probably does not really understand what they like, either.)

Ariel

what nonsense

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

The problem with this kind of characterization is that I want to characterize photographers based on their aspirations, not on their level of skill. The men listed may have differed in ability, but they are evaluated completely differently from how "Weegee" Fellig would be evaluated.

Ariel

How strange ........to be judged on what one hopes .

E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

In my 50+plus years in photography as a profession commercial photographer, a portraitist and a hobbies too- I still enjoy doing my "art" in my off time, I have come across many work-a-day - perhaps you may call them "journeyman" photographers. Many of them are unknown beyond their small circle of clientele. their neighborhood or their ethnic or business communities. The are not nationally or internationally famous or acclaimed, nonetheless they are prolific and regularly producing artistic, striking, aesthetically pleasing or sometimes rather disturbing or provocative imagery. The might make family portraits, cover weddings and events, make "bread and butter" product and commercial images or work for the media. The can find beauty, graphic lines and design and interesting texture in just about any subject that the are called upon to photograph. The are great visual communicators and make our visual world a more interesting and exciting place. At the very least, the are creating images that satisfy their clients and make lots of people HAPPY!

I take a pretty POSITIVE attitude and approach to life, my profession and art of many kinds. I don't like to look at the downside or bad aspect of things. The only criticism I have for much or the art and photography world is that there is too much snobbery. People at higher levels of skill, expertise, prowess, talent, success and knowledge ofttimes tend to take a condescending attitude to folks with lesser endowments or resent the folks who they feel are superior to their position. To my though process and philosophy, this is very unhealthy. It impedes, teaching and learning and causes folks to take so much for granted. It's like pollution- it doesn't blow up the world like an H-Bomb- it just slowly eats away at it. It's corrosive to the culture of our art and our craft.

TheDman Loc: USA

Agree completely. That's why art is so wonderful, there's something out there for everyone.

TheDman Loc: USA

Heh, there you go Apaflo, the art you like is not art, only the art Ariel likes is art!

Ariel

And more nonsense