Would the Best APS-C camera, today, be the D7200, D7500, D500, 80D, 7D Mk II, a77 II, or the K-3II?
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
jcboy3 wrote:
I did not say the iPhone was an APS-C camera.
I said the case can be made that the iPhone is the best camera, due to popularity. And also under the consideration that the best camera is the camera you have with you. APS-C cameras are too big for most people to always have with them. For me, my Panasonic LF-1 is nearly always with me. But my iPhone is with me even more frequently.
But, John ... people don't buy cell-phones to take pictures, primarily - they buy cell-phones in order to stay in touch with friends and family - big difference!
One doesn't buy a DSLR so they can call someone ... they buy a DSLR so they can take pictures. .... A whole diff ball game!!!!
BTW ... here's a link I came across - for the 5 Best DSLRs out there, today ....
http://bestreviews.com/best-dslr-cameras
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
jcboy3 wrote:
I did not say the iPhone was an APS-C camera.
I said the case can be made that the iPhone is the best camera, due to popularity. And also under the consideration that the best camera is the camera you have with you. APS-C cameras are too big for most people to always have with them. For me, my Panasonic LF-1 is nearly always with me. But my iPhone is with me even more frequently.
No, John ... but RE Hess implied it was ... as you can see in his posts ....
I know nothing about i-Phones, or any other cell-phones, for that matter ... I don't have one ... can't afford it ... all my spare money goes on photography.
I never go out of the door w/o a camera, John ... all dozen DSLRs are in individual camera bags, right near the door ... I pick one, as I go out ....
Chris T wrote:
But, John ... people don't buy cell-phones to take pictures, primarily - they buy cell-phones in order to stay in touch with friends and family - big difference!
One doesn't buy a DSLR so they can call someone ... they buy a DSLR so they can take pictures. .... A whole diff ball game!!!!
BTW ... here's a link I came across - for the 5 Best DSLRs out there, today ....
http://bestreviews.com/best-dslr-camerasIf all you want to do is call someone, a regular cell phone is better than a smart phone. People buy smart phones for all the other functionality, including camera. Which takes pictures that can easily be shared. Making them better cameras from that perspective. It takes a lot of effort to share a picture from a digital camera, especially one that doesn't have WiFi.
Another shopping guide, without defining the criteria of best. But to put those cameras together and say they are better than any others? Well, I wouldn't trust any site that ranked Canon at the top.
Still fixated on DSLR. There's a world of cameras out there that are not DSLR. P&S, Bridge, Mirrorless. None of which have that irritating clack clack clack of the mirror slapping up and down.
Chris T wrote:
No, John ... but RE Hess implied it was ... as you can see in his posts ....
I know nothing about i-Phones, or any other cell-phones, for that matter ... I don't have one ... can't afford it ... all my spare money goes on photography.
I never go out of the door w/o a camera, John ... all dozen DSLRs are in individual camera bags, right near the door ... I pick one, as I go out ....
We were talking about people in general, most of which can afford a smart phone.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
jcboy3 wrote:
If all you want to do is call someone, a regular cell phone is better than a smart phone. People buy smart phones for all the other functionality, including camera. Which takes pictures that can easily be shared. Making them better cameras from that perspective. It takes a lot of effort to share a picture from a digital camera, especially one that doesn't have WiFi.
Another shopping guide, without defining the criteria of best. But to put those cameras together and say they are better than any others? Well, I wouldn't trust any site that ranked Canon at the top.
Still fixated on DSLR. There's a world of cameras out there that are not DSLR. P&S, Bridge, Mirrorless. None of which have that irritating clack clack clack of the mirror slapping up and down.
If all you want to do is call someone, a regular c... (
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Here's a link to their Nikon page, John ... and I have three of the five Best they pinpointed!!!
And the newest TWO - both have built-in Wi-Fi .....
And my Sony SLT a77 - makes absolutely no noise, at all ....
http://bestreviews.com/best-nikon-dslr-cameras
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
jcboy3 wrote:
We were talking about people in general, most of which can afford a smart phone.
Tell you this, John ... most of the folks here in the USA - who have and use cellphones - can't (and don't) pay for them ....
The average person, here in the USA - can't afford to pay a cell-phone bill, every month ....
Chris T wrote:
Tell you this, John ... most of the folks here in the USA - who have and use cellphones - can't (and don't) pay for them ....
The average person, here in the USA - can't afford to pay a cell-phone bill, every month ....
Are you talking about me Chris? I use a cell phone every day but I don't for either the phone or the monthly bill.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
DTran wrote:
Are you talking about me Chris? I use a cell phone every day but I don't for either the phone or the monthly bill.
D ... if the shoe fits, wear it ....
Hey ChrisT
by now, hopefully you agree "best camera" is a nebulous term.
In that list, and for my specific purposes (landscape, astrophotography, travel, architectural, outdoor event) one camera soars straight to the top.
Features include:
1) all metal, sealed body. you can bury it in sand and snow, rinse it off in the shower (not recommended by manufacturer)
2) has sensor shift(4 image shift and compositing) for very high resolution still images
3) in-body stabilization, confers shake reduction to any lens (even old M42 screw mounts from the 1950's)
4) built in GPS embeds coordinates, elevation, compass azimuth, etc to EXIF of every image
5) GPS controlled astrotracer feature shifts sensor to coincide with earth's rotation for long exposures without star trailing.
6) built-in shift-lens effect by displacing sensor in the body. allows some correction of converging verticals for architectural and interior shooting.
7) Selectable anti-aliasing can be switched on or off as required
There's more, but what an interesting feature set not necessarily offered by the better selling FORD & CHEVY of the camera world.
Lens Creep wrote:
Hey ChrisT
by now, hopefully you agree "best camera" is a nebulous term.
In that list, and for my specific purposes (landscape, astrophotography, travel, architectural, outdoor event) one camera soars straight to the top.
Features include:
1) all metal, sealed body. you can bury it in sand and snow, rinse it off in the shower (not recommended by manufacturer)
2) has sensor shift(4 image shift and compositing) for very high resolution still images
3) in-body stabilization, confers shake reduction to any lens (even old M42 screw mounts from the 1950's)
4) built in GPS embeds coordinates, elevation, compass azimuth, etc to EXIF of every image
5) GPS controlled astrotracer feature shifts sensor to coincide with earth's rotation for long exposures without star trailing.
6) built-in shift-lens effect by displacing sensor in the body. allows some correction of converging verticals for architectural and interior shooting.
7) Selectable anti-aliasing can be switched on or off as required
There's more, but what an interesting feature set not necessarily offered by the better selling FORD & CHEVY of the camera world.
Hey ChrisT br br by now, hopefully you agree &quo... (
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Sounds like the Pentax K-3 II to me?
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
Lens Creep wrote:
Hey ChrisT
by now, hopefully you agree "best camera" is a nebulous term.
In that list, and for my specific purposes (landscape, astrophotography, travel, architectural, outdoor event) one camera soars straight to the top.
Features include:
1) all metal, sealed body. you can bury it in sand and snow, rinse it off in the shower (not recommended by manufacturer)
2) has sensor shift(4 image shift and compositing) for very high resolution still images
3) in-body stabilization, confers shake reduction to any lens (even old M42 screw mounts from the 1950's)
4) built in GPS embeds coordinates, elevation, compass azimuth, etc to EXIF of every image
5) GPS controlled astrotracer feature shifts sensor to coincide with earth's rotation for long exposures without star trailing.
6) built-in shift-lens effect by displacing sensor in the body. allows some correction of converging verticals for architectural and interior shooting.
7) Selectable anti-aliasing can be switched on or off as required
There's more, but what an interesting feature set not necessarily offered by the better selling FORD & CHEVY of the camera world.
Hey ChrisT br br by now, hopefully you agree &quo... (
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Yes, it IS an interesting feature set ... to which one of the MFT dig cams does this refer, Creep?
Chris T wrote:
Yes, it IS an interesting feature set ... to which one of the MFT dig cams does this refer, Creep?
Hey, what'd you call me?! Oh wait, right.
That's the Pentax K3II.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
jcboy3 wrote:
Sounds like the Pentax K-3 II to me?
Now, see, John ... the Pentax K-3 II is included in the list I gave at the top ....
And, it is quite clear Creep's dismissing the entire list ....
I suspect it's one of the Olys ... perhaps, the EM-5, or maybe, even the EM-1 ...
Not sure I get the association with the Pentax mount, though ...
So, you do have a point, there, John ... but, I'm still sticking with one of those two ....
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
Lens Creep wrote:
Hey, what'd you call me?! Oh wait, right.
That's the Pentax K3II.
Creep - the K-3II is right THERE in the list ....
Didn't know you could take that one in the shower, with you - as well as those two Olys ...
Hey, now you could have quite a party in there, huh, Creep? ... between the three, I mean ...
Only thing missing ... is the built-in flashes ... and you might well want some extra light, with all THAT crowd, in there, Creep ....
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
Lens Creep wrote:
Hey ChrisT
by now, hopefully you agree "best camera" is a nebulous term.
In that list, and for my specific purposes (landscape, astrophotography, travel, architectural, outdoor event) one camera soars straight to the top.
Features include:
1) all metal, sealed body. you can bury it in sand and snow, rinse it off in the shower (not recommended by manufacturer)
2) has sensor shift(4 image shift and compositing) for very high resolution still images
3) in-body stabilization, confers shake reduction to any lens (even old M42 screw mounts from the 1950's)
4) built in GPS embeds coordinates, elevation, compass azimuth, etc to EXIF of every image
5) GPS controlled astrotracer feature shifts sensor to coincide with earth's rotation for long exposures without star trailing.
6) built-in shift-lens effect by displacing sensor in the body. allows some correction of converging verticals for architectural and interior shooting.
7) Selectable anti-aliasing can be switched on or off as required
There's more, but what an interesting feature set not necessarily offered by the better selling FORD & CHEVY of the camera world.
Hey ChrisT br br by now, hopefully you agree &quo... (
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Creep ... don't know where you got this set of features ... but, it's really opened my eyes, I'll tell you ...
I was going to order it a while back, but then, I noticed they'd dumped the K-3's built-in flash, in order to provide the GPS ....
And since I have TWO DSLRs with BOTH features (a77, D5300) ... I decided to skip it ...
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