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Jan 5, 2018 14:41:09   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
burkphoto wrote:
I keep seeing good but probably irrelevant advice about holding the camera steady, here. The blurry character in this image does not have the usual directional signature of camera shake. Camera shake most often manifests itself as a "smear" in the direction of the actual shake. What I see almost looks like JPEG artifacts and improper sharpening, or an overly aggressive anti-aliasing filter, or the worst end of a cheap zoom lens. The early 14-42mm Lumix and Olympus lenses were okay at the short end, but performance deteriorated rapidly past 30mm.

Someone mentioned retiring the E-PL1. It's definitely old enough to put in the glass case... There are much better options, now!
I keep seeing good but probably irrelevant advice ... (show quote)



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Jan 5, 2018 14:44:52   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
I'm 70 years old and still in great shape. I still backpack.
I only say this so the following will make sense. If I was going to shot the scene you show I promise you, my camera would have been on my Gitzo Tripod!

I ALWAYS shoot my landscapes on a tripod. Then they are always sharp!

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Jan 5, 2018 16:45:47   #
Bob Boner
 
For about 80% of my images I use either a tripod or the window frame in my car. Most of those are on a tripod. I even put a tripod around the passenger seat to shoot outside the passenger window.

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Jan 5, 2018 17:28:22   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
Don't hand hold when shooting landscapes. You wont solve this issue without using a tripod. Using a tripod will give you both more flexibility in regards to shooting in lower light, longer exposures, bracketing and blending wider tonal ranges.

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Jan 5, 2018 17:38:14   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
burkphoto wrote:
I keep seeing good but probably irrelevant advice about holding the camera steady, here. The blurry character in this image does not have the usual directional signature of camera shake. Camera shake most often manifests itself as a "smear" in the direction of the actual shake. What I see almost looks like JPEG artifacts and improper sharpening, or an overly aggressive anti-aliasing filter, or the worst end of a cheap zoom lens. The early 14-42mm Lumix and Olympus lenses were okay at the short end, but performance deteriorated rapidly past 30mm.

Someone mentioned retiring the E-PL1. It's definitely old enough to put in the glass case... There are much better options, now!
I keep seeing good but probably irrelevant advice ... (show quote)


Agree...besides the damn lock on that lens drives me nuts. Find a Panasonic 12-32 lens for a cheaper yet quality option if you want to keep using the epl1. It has stabilization in the lens. What I don’t know, is if the firmware in the epl1 will let you use it.

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Jan 5, 2018 20:46:05   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
tdekany wrote:
Both cameras have the same size sensor.


I stand corrected. But the M10 does simply have a better sensor than the PL1. I just googled them and did a comparison that definitely leans toward the E-M10 as being a superior sensor.

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Jan 5, 2018 20:54:12   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I stand corrected. But the M10 does simply have a better sensor than the PL1. I just googled them and did a comparison that definitely leans toward the E-M10 as being a superior sensor.


We all make mistakes. With that said, the epl1 used to be a very popular camera. Had really nice colors. If you put a good lens on it, it would perform very well. But you are correct, the Sony sensor in the em10 is much better.

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Jan 5, 2018 22:20:48   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Many interesting thoughts here.

While I agree with the tripod suggestions I still appreciate VR for the times when the tripod isn’t practical. Also the tripod is more important for longer lenses (or lens settings) than used here.

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Jan 5, 2018 23:06:35   #
WILLARD98407 Loc: TACOMA, WA.
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Gorgeous color!
I think using an eye-level finder is more stable than a rear LCD.
The IS in the EM-1 I had was amazing!
It worked really well for me, one of the things I miss.
I assume your EM-10 would be similar.

The rule of thumb for lowest shutter setting used to be 1/focal length for 35mm film cameras ie: full frame (some say twice the ff focal length).
So with micro 4/3rds, you would use the full-frame "crop factor" of 2, doubling your focal length.
Example: Using a 25mm lens on your Olympus, you would double it.. 25 x 2=50, so 1/50 sec would be your lowest shutter setting.
She was at 42mm so...42 x 2=84 or 1/80sec at a minimum....but with using the potentially less steady rear LCD, she should up it even more. 1/125th wasn't enough evidently.
Give her the EM-10 and get an upgrade!

This rule of thumb was before IS, VR or whatever the particular brand calls it and it was just a loose guide.
Some people aren't as steady as others.
I have a friend who was a sniper in the military who can hand-hold at amazingly long exposures.
Gorgeous color! br I think using an eye-level find... (show quote)


yep. just have to get the heartbeat under 20, with a resp rate under4, and pull (press) between beats.

used to take pics to 1/2 sec. hand held with no prob. now that I'm old and shakey, about 1/16 is as slow as I go without vr.

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Jan 6, 2018 09:16:36   #
alggomas Loc: Wales, United Kingdom.
 
If you do go for tripod ( try higher speed first). Turn off image stabilizer.

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Jan 6, 2018 09:54:07   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
WILLARD98407 wrote:
yep. just have to get the heartbeat under 20, with a resp rate under4, and pull (press) between beats.

used to take pics to 1/2 sec. hand held with no prob. now that I'm old and shakey, about 1/16 is as slow as I go without vr.

I don't even think the thought "without IS" these days.

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Jan 6, 2018 23:11:42   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
m43rebel wrote:
My wife is new to photography and is beginning to learn about all the issues to keep track of when pressing the shutter. She has a good eye for composition ... probably better than me ... but the techniques are still in process.

I have attached two pictures, one by her and one by me, from our recent Fall Colors shoot. They were both taken of distant landscapes in the same area. She was using an Olympus E-PL1 with only a rear LCD, and I was using an Olympus E-M10 with a viewfinder.

She was relying on the camera stabilization system, and I had it on but never trust it. So, I was trying to be a human tripod, but she was not. And then that arch enemy, the shaking gremlin, brings his unsettling ways.

In her photo, though well composed, the softness is evident. In mine, I think a higher degree of clarity seems to be apparent. I doubt the difference in megapixels is relevant (only a difference of 4 mp). So, I assume it is the Gremlin.

How have you managed to solve stability issues when hand holding?
My wife is new to photography and is beginning to ... (show quote)


It is incredibly difficult to hold steady anything waving around in front of you in the manner the rear LCD forces one to do.
Not much can be done except a tripod.
The IS is not a replacement for poor technique which the rear screen forces upon you. It is to take up the small slack after using proper technique first.

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Jan 7, 2018 22:04:37   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Dennis833 wrote:
Don't hand hold when shooting landscapes. You wont solve this issue without using a tripod. Using a tripod will give you both more flexibility in regards to shooting in lower light, longer exposures, bracketing and blending wider tonal ranges.

If a person holds the camera correctly using the viewfinder, and light is normal, then a tripod is not needed to shoot anything, including landscapes.

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