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Jan 5, 2018 06:18:21   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
berchman wrote:
If you take a travel tripod on a small group tour, given the pace of such tours, when do you have the opportunity to set up a tripod and take pictures? The tours I have been on with Overseas Adventure Travel (small groups not exceeding 16) keep you moving from early in the morning to after dinner. I barely have time to grab shots which I do while the guide is talking to the group and sometimes I have gotten so absorbed that the group has moved on and I don't know where they have gone. In those cases (which I try to minimize, not wanting to be a pariah), I just remain where I am so I can be found. (I also explain to the tour guide at the beginning of the tour that photography is my main interest so don't be insulted if I'm not listening to the lecture.)

You may ask why I don't go on photography tours and the reason is that I can't afford them. Even in those cases where it's just me and my wife and another couple who are friends touring (India, Burma, Iran), it imposes a burden on the non-photographers to go around setting up a tripod. I probably don't know what I'm doing, but on the rare occasions that I've bothered with a tripod (Induro C214 8X CF and RSS B40 head) when on a field trip with my camera club, it is a major pain to get the tripod at just the right height for the shot, especially since I've been warned not to use the center column because it reduces stability. It just takes a long time fooling with the legs.
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tdekany is correct: Olympus E-M1 mrII plus the 12-100mm f4 Pro IS lense. I went on a 11 day bus tour of Germany with this combination in a 6" X 11" X 12" bag, no tripod (not with those size requirements). I had a 7-14mm f2.8 lense and flash along just in case, but used the 7-14mm for only three shots out of more than 1500. I was handholding all the way to 4 seconds without a single problem. Yes, take a tripod along when possible. But for the situations you are describing, take an E-M1 mrII plus 12-100mm lense. Try the combination out at a camera store near you.

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Jan 5, 2018 06:21:05   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
berchman wrote:
If you take a travel tripod on a small group tour, given the pace of such tours, when do you have the opportunity to set up a tripod and take pictures? The tours I have been on with Overseas Adventure Travel (small groups not exceeding 16) keep you moving from early in the morning to after dinner. I barely have time to grab shots which I do while the guide is talking to the group and sometimes I have gotten so absorbed that the group has moved on and I don't know where they have gone. In those cases (which I try to minimize, not wanting to be a pariah), I just remain where I am so I can be found. (I also explain to the tour guide at the beginning of the tour that photography is my main interest so don't be insulted if I'm not listening to the lecture.)

You may ask why I don't go on photography tours and the reason is that I can't afford them. Even in those cases where it's just me and my wife and another couple who are friends touring (India, Burma, Iran), it imposes a burden on the non-photographers to go around setting up a tripod. I probably don't know what I'm doing, but on the rare occasions that I've bothered with a tripod (Induro C214 8X CF and RSS B40 head) when on a field trip with my camera club, it is a major pain to get the tripod at just the right height for the shot, especially since I've been warned not to use the center column because it reduces stability. It just takes a long time fooling with the legs.
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I wondered the same thing when I took a tour of Yellowstone and Jackson Hole, so I asked the tour directors. They said it would be possible, but it would either hold up the group, or I would be left behind. You also have to consider crowds.

Since you're asking for advice, I'll give you some. Take what pictures you can, but don't interfere with the progress of the group. When fifteen people are moving as a group, and one is always doing his own thing, it can ruin it for everyone. If you're causing a problem without the tripod, I can't imagine what it would be like with you setting up to get shots all day long.

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Jan 5, 2018 06:36:59   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
berchman wrote:
If you take a travel tripod on a small group tour, given the pace of such tours, when do you have the opportunity to set up a tripod and take pictures? The tours I have been on with Overseas Adventure Travel (small groups not exceeding 16) keep you moving from early in the morning to after dinner. I barely have time to grab shots which I do while the guide is talking to the group and sometimes I have gotten so absorbed that the group has moved on and I don't know where they have gone. In those cases (which I try to minimize, not wanting to be a pariah), I just remain where I am so I can be found. (I also explain to the tour guide at the beginning of the tour that photography is my main interest so don't be insulted if I'm not listening to the lecture.)

You may ask why I don't go on photography tours and the reason is that I can't afford them. Even in those cases where it's just me and my wife and another couple who are friends touring (India, Burma, Iran), it imposes a burden on the non-photographers to go around setting up a tripod. I probably don't know what I'm doing, but on the rare occasions that I've bothered with a tripod (Induro C214 8X CF and RSS B40 head) when on a field trip with my camera club, it is a major pain to get the tripod at just the right height for the shot, especially since I've been warned not to use the center column because it reduces stability. It just takes a long time fooling with the legs.
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As long as you are not causing the GROUP to miss an opportunity while you fiddle with your stuff I guess it's OK.

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Jan 5, 2018 07:50:49   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
I carry a small rice bag and often follow the advice above and use my wife as a walking stabilizer. She was enjoying a rum punch and a beach chair on Orient Beach on St Martin one day and declined to get up and help me photograph a kite surfer. A very pretty and topless young lady overheard our discussion and offered to help. My wife warned "Don't even think about it", and started to get up from the chair. "There", the young lady said, "that was easy", as she walked off.

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Jan 5, 2018 07:52:45   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I think that you could do better if you use a camera with an image stabilization lens. That way you will have better shots without the tripod.
Unless traveling with a photo tour you will be disrupting the group using a tripod. You already know there is no time for that and others will not appreciate what you are doing.

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Jan 5, 2018 08:00:44   #
PhotosRfun
 
Take a look at this stabilizer strap. It allows you to be ready and steady at all times. www.coolcameragadgets.store

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Jan 5, 2018 08:06:19   #
Elsiss Loc: Bayside, NY, Boynton Beach, Fl.
 
StevenG wrote:
A tripod is not an appropriate piece of equipment to take on a group tour. I have been on several such tours, and they do move according to the pace you described.
A group tour is a vacation for most people who usually have interest in taking some travel snapshots to record their memories of the trip; it is not a photography tour and should not be treated as such. When you get lost, and need to be found by the tour guide, you are causing a disruption to the group and are being rude. No one in the group appreciates it. I suggest you take one camera and an “all purpose travel lens” and learn to set up and compose quickly and move on with the group. From experience I can tell you, you can capture some very nice photographs that way. If you want more, you should consider traveling alone or spring for the photography tour.
Steve
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Exactly- We’ll said and I agree 100%. I take these tours all the time and it would be very rude, especially if you held the group back from their tour. Remember these tours are not photography tours. You would get many pissed off people who paid good money not to be delayed by some photography person. Do take a body and a couple of lenses and have a great time.

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Jan 5, 2018 08:15:46   #
kinde
 
bpulv wrote:
I had the same problem and finally got smart. Buy a carbon fiber monopod such as the Sirui model P-326. It only weighs 0.9 pounds, is 60 inches high, holds 22 pounds and folds to 15 1/2 inches. Add a Arca Swiss style clamp to the monopod (don't waste your money on a ball head) and a Arca Swiss mounting plate and L-bracket to your camera and you will be in business. One thing you should be aware of when using a monopod is that if you fully extend all the legs, they are usually not 100% ridgid (even the expensive ones). By leaving about 3/4" of each leg retracted into the leg above, they will become very rigid and your camera will still be at eye level.
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Would this set up work with a Sony a6300 and a Sony 100-400 mm lens?

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Jan 5, 2018 08:24:25   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
I think you have answered your on question; it is the same as trying to use one in a city ! You Don't .

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Jan 5, 2018 08:53:11   #
ka5ysy
 
The maintenance overhead is unbelievable.

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Jan 5, 2018 08:57:58   #
ka5ysy
 
tdekany wrote:
Instead of telling you what you can not do on tours, I tell you what you could do. And I realize that you have Fuji gear. Olympus EM1 mark2 and Olympus 12-100 f4 6.5 stops of stabilization. Even older folks who may not be as steady, can hand hold and don’t require a tripod or monopod. At least read up on it, you ar a perfect candidate for all that technology.




I use the OM-D E-M1 II with the 12-100 IS zoom for travel. Lightweight, really does not require a monopod due to the fantastic image stabilization between the lens and the IBIS system. Highly recommended for weight-restricted travels.

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Jan 5, 2018 09:07:29   #
magpix Loc: St. Michaels, MD
 
You may want to consider a Joby GorillaPod. I have the Focus & Ballhead X model which is small and can easily handle my Fuji XT-2 and most lenses, including the 50-140mm. FYI, my wife, a watercolorist, and I recently took a Viking River Cruise through Southern France.
We both decided to start each day's tour to get a rough idea of what we'd be seeing, but then to go off on our own for an hour or two to shoot and paint. We'd simply ask the guide where we should meet up (usually at where the bus left us off), and we had enough time to capture the best parts of the tour on our own. While we undoubtedly missed some of the things the guide pointed out during the actual tour, we came away with some respectable artwork. We sometimes did additional research online later that evening for things we may have missed. I find the Joby GorillaPod a great alternative to my larger Gitzo Travel Tripod and much better than trying to use a monopod. I can attach it to my small sling pack or clip it around my belt. Here's a shot taken using it in Lyon. I was also able to shoot large panos of the landscape, which I wouldn't have been able to do without this small tripod.

I'd consider taking a Joby and then talking with your guide to see if you could go off on your own now and then. Above all, have a great trip!



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Jan 5, 2018 09:15:24   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
I’ve done OAT tours. They aren’t intended to be photography tours. A previous poster suggested hand held. That’s really your best choice except when on free time. Even a monopod is more PITA than useful. Good luck!

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Jan 5, 2018 09:40:23   #
woodworkerman Loc: PA to FL
 
Travel photography that requires quick set up and take down of tripods can be a nuisance. Take a tip from a hunter. Buy a Primos Trigger Stick. You can get mono, dual or tri bases. It allows a head to steady a gun, of course, but a camera mount base comes with most versions. The user squeezes a "trigger" at the top and the legs will automatically extend, or press down on the ground to retract the legs AND, with the bi- or tripod versions, the legs allow for any angle or slant if, for example, you are on an incline. Squeeze the trigger, quickly adjust the tripod, take your shot, squeeze to pack up, disconnect the camera, and you are quickly on your way. BTW, the (removable) V-shaped gun support easily steadies a long, heavy lens that you don't want to mount to a tripod.

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Jan 5, 2018 09:43:14   #
Gaddysmom
 
Try using the old “chain” method of stabilization. I use a non-stretch cord instead of a chain, just because it is easier to wad up in a pocket, but it works the same way. I think I gain a stop.

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