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Jan 4, 2018 11:24:29   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
berchman wrote:
I do hand hold. The newer Fuji lenses have excellent stabilization and I have not had any trouble with camera movement. I simply raise the ISO to keep the shutter speed high enough. But I guess that for serious panoramas and night shots, a tripod might be necessary.


What I’m saying is that with the Oly setup, you can handhold for seconds without needing a tripod. Unfortunately the Fuji is nowhere near what the Oly can do. Panorama should be no problem with your Fuji setup though. In any case, good luck and hopefully you can come up with a solution that works.

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Jan 4, 2018 12:33:28   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
boberic wrote:
You men tioned that you travel with your wife. Wives come equipped with a great variety of stable photography platforms. shoulders are a great camera steadying location. Wives can be a suitable wall to lean against. Wives can even carry themselves around, and set up quickly. But they are a LOT MORE expensive than even the most expensive tripod.


That is even funnier or odder that you would say that. My wife bought me a Gitzo tripod and head long ago around 1990.

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Jan 4, 2018 12:35:56   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
berchman wrote:
I do hand hold. The newer Fuji lenses have excellent stabilization and I have not had any trouble with camera movement. I simply raise the ISO to keep the shutter speed high enough. But I guess that for serious panoramas and night shots, a tripod might be necessary.


I get to go on a lot of lesser expensive tours because my wife takes me! She gives me great cameras too. I love that woman.

That said, there are two kinds of people that can essentially ruin a tour. One is the selfish photographer that slows down the group. The other is the rude tourist that is always trying to explain that whatever it is, it is done better in their home county. I'm sorry to say that most of those are from my home country!

Regarding tripods, there is no argument that they are steady. However, with current camera stabilization any small handle will get you 90% there. I uses a Gorillapod. Normally it is folded together, held in my left hand and held close to against my chest. Tripods really do get in the way. Not only that, lots of the good tourist sites ban them!

Speed up you shooting. Use automatic! 90% of the time it gets it close and is so quick that you don't hold up the other travelers. See the shot, put the camera to your eye, shoot a short automatic burst. 2 seconds later you are moving on with the group.

Panoramas should be a 5 second event. Hold the Gorillapod to your chest, rotate at the hips, overlap the frames by about 20% and assemble them at home. Current software does the alignment, not a tripod.

For the hard core tripod, long exposure stuff, get up early and go shoot before the tour assembles.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:02:56   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
bsprague wrote:
I get to go on a lot of lesser expensive tours because my wife takes me! She gives me great cameras too. I love that woman.

That said, there are two kinds of people that can essentially ruin a tour. One is the selfish photographer that slows down the group. The other is the rude tourist that is always trying to explain that whatever it is, it is done better in their home county. I'm sorry to say that most of those are from my home country!

Regarding tripods, there is no argument that they are steady. However, with current camera stabilization any small handle will get you 90% there. I uses a Gorillapod. Normally it is folded together, held in my left hand and held close to against my chest. Tripods really do get in the way. Not only that, lots of the good tourist sites ban them!

Speed up you shooting. Use automatic! 90% of the time it gets it close and is so quick that you don't hold up the other travelers. See the shot, put the camera to your eye, shoot a short automatic burst. 2 seconds later you are moving on with the group.

Panoramas should be a 5 second event. Hold the Gorillapod to your chest, rotate at the hips, overlap the frames by about 20% and assemble them at home. Current software does the alignment, not a tripod.

For the hard core tripod, long exposure stuff, get up early and go shoot before the tour assembles.
I get to go on a lot of lesser expensive tours bec... (show quote)


Does that 5 seconds with the Gorillapod include the time it takes to remove it from your bag and then to attach the camera to it? I once read a suggestion that one buy a Leitz tabletop tripod and use it pressed against one’s chest.

By the way, no tour group has ever waited for me to take a photo. They’re not run like that. That’s the reason I solicited replies from people who take a tripod with them on a tour. I was wondering under what circumstances they were able to use them. Perhaps it’s as you say, that they get up early or go to bed late and take their pictures before or after the programmed activities start. I can’t do that. My tours are so activity packed that I’m really tired at the end of the day and all I want to do is lie down.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:07:35   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
berchman wrote:
Does that 5 seconds with the Gorillapod include the time it takes to remove it from your bag and then to attach the camera to it? I once read a suggestion that one buy a Leitz tabletop tripod and use it pressed against one’s chest.

By the way, no tour group has ever waited for me to take a photo. They’re not run like that. That’s the reason I solicited replies from people who take a tripod with them on a tour. I was wondering under what circumstances they were able to use them. Perhaps it’s as you say, that they get up early or go to bed late and take their pictures before or after the programmed activities start. I can’t do that. My tours are so activity packed that I’m really tired at the end of the day and all I want to do is lie down.
Does that 5 seconds with the Gorillapod include th... (show quote)


Why not travel independantly?
We have also done that and have a much more enjoyable experience, albiet a bit more stressfull.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:20:52   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
berchman wrote:
If you take a travel tripod on a small group tour, given the pace of such tours, when do you have the opportunity to set up a tripod and take pictures? The tours I have been on with Overseas Adventure Travel (small groups not exceeding 16) keep you moving from early in the morning to after dinner. I barely have time to grab shots which I do while the guide is talking to the group and sometimes I have gotten so absorbed that the group has moved on and I don't know where they have gone. In those cases (which I try to minimize, not wanting to be a pariah), I just remain where I am so I can be found. (I also explain to the tour guide at the beginning of the tour that photography is my main interest so don't be insulted if I'm not listening to the lecture.)

You may ask why I don't go on photography tours and the reason is that I can't afford them. Even in those cases where it's just me and my wife and another couple who are friends touring (India, Burma, Iran), it imposes a burden on the non-photographers to go around setting up a tripod. I probably don't know what I'm doing, but on the rare occasions that I've bothered with a tripod (Induro C214 8X CF and RSS B40 head) when on a field trip with my camera club, it is a major pain to get the tripod at just the right height for the shot, especially since I've been warned not to use the center column because it reduces stability. It just takes a long time fooling with the legs.
If you take a travel tripod on a small group tour,... (show quote)

Since you say you go on travel tours, why would anyone ask why you don't go on travel tours??

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Jan 4, 2018 14:07:11   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Why not travel independantly?
We have also done that and have a much more enjoyable experience, albiet a bit more stressfull.


I have an adventurous friend who enjoys doing the things I hate on a trip to a place like India, for example. He will bargain with tuk-tuk drivers, go into dark, scuzzy shops to buy water, expertly find his way because he’s a terrific map reader, etc. My strengths, such as they are, lie in researching local tour agencies, hotels, restaurants, worthwhile sights and activities, train timetables, etc., so the two of us and our spouses have traveled with a local driver/guide to North and South India, Burma and Iran. I have traveled independently (no agency, no guide) with my wife to Italy (Puglia, Sicily, Naples, Venice, Bologna and a number of other places), to Germany, Israel, Scotland, England, France (Brittany, Normandy, the Riviera, Paris, Alsace), Prague, Dominica, and Mexico. Although I can survive (basic communication) in German, French, Italian and Spanish, having taken courses in these languages, I’m a perfectionist, so I feel very stressed while badly speaking these languages, especially in the anticipation of an interaction with a waiter, taxi driver, receptionist, gas station attendant, asking directions of a passerby.

Am I going to travel independently without my adventurous friend to China, Japan, Laos, Russia, and other places where I have never studied the language? Not on your life, Google Translate notwithstanding.

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Jan 4, 2018 14:10:29   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
berchman wrote:
Does that 5 seconds with the Gorillapod include the time it takes to remove it from your bag and then to attach the camera to it? I once read a suggestion that one buy a Leitz tabletop tripod and use it pressed against one’s chest.

By the way, no tour group has ever waited for me to take a photo. They’re not run like that. That’s the reason I solicited replies from people who take a tripod with them on a tour. I was wondering under what circumstances they were able to use them. Perhaps it’s as you say, that they get up early or go to bed late and take their pictures before or after the programmed activities start. I can’t do that. My tours are so activity packed that I’m really tired at the end of the day and all I want to do is lie down.
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"Does that 5 seconds with the Gorillapod include the time it takes to remove it from your bag and then to attach the camera to it?" Yes. It has a little quick release. It snaps into place.

That said, my normal walking around mode (on a tour) is with the Gorillapod attached to the camera with a secure wrist strap. My camera is a lighter and silent mirrorless. The smooth knobs on the Gorillapod makes a comfortable and secure handle, so that is how I carry it when I'm in my tourist shooting mode.

I can post a couple samples of my hand holding (not tripod) shots. I've got a pretty good pano/hdr example, a pano example and a slideshow of a Scotch Whiskey factory all done hand held in my "no delays" tourist shooting mode.

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Jan 4, 2018 14:44:25   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
Monopods are great but I would put a nice ball head on it. No handles sticking out. Bigger range of motion. Quicker and easier to use. Both mine have Kirk mounting plates on them. Fast and stable. Monopods aren't just for stability, they can be used to put your camera into interesting places, over your head (or over a group of people) Down low. (over a bridge rail) I use mine all the time.
Cam

bpulv wrote:
I had the same problem and finally got smart. Buy a carbon fiber monopod such as the Sirui model P-326. It only weighs 0.9 pounds, is 60 inches high, holds 22 pounds and folds to 15 1/2 inches. Add a Arca Swiss style clamp to the monopod (don't waste your money on a ball head) and a Arca Swiss mounting plate and L-bracket to your camera and you will be in business. One thing you should be aware of when using a monopod is that if you fully extend all the legs, they are usually not 100% ridgid (even the expensive ones). By leaving about 3/4" of each leg retracted into the leg above, they will become very rigid and your camera will still be at eye level.
I had the same problem and finally got smart. Buy ... (show quote)

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Jan 4, 2018 17:49:38   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
berchman wrote:
I have an adventurous friend who enjoys doing the things I hate on a trip to a place like India, for example. He will bargain with tuk-tuk drivers, go into dark, scuzzy shops to buy water, expertly find his way because he’s a terrific map reader, etc. My strengths, such as they are, lie in researching local tour agencies, hotels, restaurants, worthwhile sights and activities, train timetables, etc., so the two of us and our spouses have traveled with a local driver/guide to North and South India, Burma and Iran. I have traveled independently (no agency, no guide) with my wife to Italy (Puglia, Sicily, Naples, Venice, Bologna and a number of other places), to Germany, Israel, Scotland, England, France (Brittany, Normandy, the Riviera, Paris, Alsace), Prague, Dominica, and Mexico. Although I can survive (basic communication) in German, French, Italian and Spanish, having taken courses in these languages, I’m a perfectionist, so I feel very stressed while badly speaking these languages, especially in the anticipation of an interaction with a waiter, taxi driver, receptionist, gas station attendant, asking directions of a passerby.

Am I going to travel independently without my adventurous friend to China, Japan, Laos, Russia, and other places where I have never studied the language? Not on your life, Google Translate notwithstanding.
I have an adventurous friend who enjoys doing the ... (show quote)


Don't get hung up on languages. Think more in terms of communication. I have been to many of the places you mention and never had a problem communicating. You need to free up your mind to include gestures, expressions, maps, pictures and simple international words. If necessary, look for any young person that looks reasonably educated and they probably have a good grasp of English. Lighten up - don't be such a 'perfectionist'. If you are as bad as you say you are I don't know how your friend puts up with you. I couldn't.

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Jan 4, 2018 18:07:25   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
repleo wrote:
Don't get hung up on languages. Think more in terms of communication. I have been to many of the places you mention and never had a problem communicating. You need to free up your mind to include gestures, expressions, maps, pictures and simple international words. If necessary, look for any young person that looks reasonably educated and they probably have a good grasp of English. Lighten up - don't be such a 'perfectionist'. If you are as bad as you say you are I don't know how your friend puts up with you. I couldn't.
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I asked my friend what I contribute to his enjoyment of a trip and his answer was that I made him laugh.

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Jan 4, 2018 18:27:28   #
daddybear Loc: Brunswick, NY
 
Look at a Chickenfoot from Vari-Zoom

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Jan 4, 2018 18:58:21   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
repleo wrote:
Don't get hung up on languages. Think more in terms of communication. I have been to many of the places you mention and never had a problem communicating. You need to free up your mind to include gestures, expressions, maps, pictures and simple international words. If necessary, look for any young person that looks reasonably educated and they probably have a good grasp of English. Lighten up - don't be such a 'perfectionist'. If you are as bad as you say you are I don't know how your friend puts up with you. I couldn't.
Don't get hung up on languages. Think more in ter... (show quote)


I agree, we have done a lot of travelling through Europe using public transport and never had any major problems.
Even vacationing in the USA, with a rental car (with a GPS), there hasn't been any problems.
:-)

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Jan 4, 2018 19:05:43   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
I agree, we have done a lot of travelling through Europe using public transport and never had any major problems.
Even vacationing in the USA, with a rental car (with a GPS), there hasn't been any problems.
:-)


I have not had *any* problems traveling independently except excessive worrying that I *would* have problems. :)

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Jan 5, 2018 06:16:44   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
I divide travel into "fun/family" travel and "photography travel". On family trips I take a small camera and do not take all of my gear. I wouldn't think of taking a tripod on a group tour unless it was a photography tour. Do you really need a tripod that often that it is worth dragging around all day?

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