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Jan 1, 2018 08:41:38   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
CO wrote:
The only negative about continuous lighting is that they won't help to freeze motion and their output is not a high as strobes. I attended a model photo shoot recently where only continuous lighting was used. For some of the shots, I had to use shutter speeds as low as 1/25 second, f/5.6, ISO1250. I really didn't want to go higher than ISO1250 because there would be more digital noise.

The lighting here was a continuous LED ring flash. I used ISO1250, f/5.6, 1/30 second. Lots of motion blur.
The only negative about continuous lighting is tha... (show quote)


Digital noise can be dealt with in post, but motion blur cannot. The newest cameras can get acceptable shots at 12,800 ISO.

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Jan 1, 2018 08:47:22   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
CO wrote:
The only negative about continuous lighting is that they won't help to freeze motion and their output is not a high as strobes. I attended a model photo shoot recently where only continuous lighting was used. For some of the shots, I had to use shutter speeds as low as 1/25 second, f/5.6, ISO1250. I really didn't want to go higher than ISO1250 because there would be more digital noise.

The lighting here was a continuous LED ring flash. I used ISO1250, f/5.6, 1/30 second. Lots of motion blur.
The only negative about continuous lighting is tha... (show quote)

I agree completely.

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Jan 1, 2018 12:29:25   #
pendennis
 
Lighting power is the number one asset with electronic flash (strobes is/are actually a misnomer). You can always dial down a light pack or a monolight, but you can't dial up what you don't have.

Ideally power packs which allow for multiple heads and adjustable power settings is the ideal, especially for studio work. AC power recharging is almost instantaneous especially if you don't need to shoot at full output. However, monolights work well when you don't want to be bound by power and lamp head cords, etc. I used two 1600 w/s Speedotron Brown Line units and several flash heads.

When you add soft boxes, and other diffusing objects, you also need the higher power to maintain the use of smaller f/stops.

You should also consider keeping to the same brand of lights. The output light is different from brand to brand; some whiter, cooler, warmer, etc., than others.

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Jan 1, 2018 12:40:41   #
Mortsid
 
Before you buy lights (Mono or Speedlites) first read some books (plural)on lighting. Only then will know what will suit your use. Speedlites are mobile, Mono's aren't

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Jan 1, 2018 13:07:27   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CO wrote:
The only negative about continuous lighting is that they won't help to freeze motion and their output is not a high as strobes. I attended a model photo shoot recently where only continuous lighting was used. For some of the shots, I had to use shutter speeds as low as 1/25 second, f/5.6, ISO1250. I really didn't want to go higher than ISO1250 because there would be more digital noise.

The lighting here was a continuous LED ring flash. I used ISO1250, f/5.6, 1/30 second. Lots of motion blur.
The only negative about continuous lighting is tha... (show quote)


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Jan 1, 2018 14:50:22   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Mortsid wrote:
Before you buy lights (Mono or Speedlites) first read some books (plural)on lighting. Only then will know what will suit your use. Speedlites are mobile, Mono's aren't


Not mobile????
Hogwash!
What’s your definition of mobile?
Did a lot of location work with Speedotron, Comet and ProPhoto units back in my film days.
They are bigger than any monolights I’ve used.
I still use monolights on location for larger jobs, but I use speedlights off camera more frequently.
Maybe you mean speedlights are more mobile than monolights. That I would agree with.
There are battery-powered monolights made by Dynalite, ProPhoto, Godox among others, perfect for taking on location...ie: mobile.

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Jan 1, 2018 15:18:37   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
You’re getting a lot of good information from the people here. But I think you will get better advice if you can give a idea about how much you want to spend to start and later on. Also what you want to shoot...in studio or remote. There are lots of answers and price points.Robert Harrington and Mark Wallace YouTube videos can give you an idea of what can be done too...

CWW wrote:
Greetings and Happy New Year! I have a strong interest in learning portrait/event photography. My question is: which lighting to purchase to get started? I understand the concept of rf controlled speed lights. What is the purpose of a strobe light? Are speed lights and strobes used simultaneously from the same rf transmitter? What equipment do you folks use to get the effect you are looking for? My camera is a Sony A77 11 with a 24-70 G Zeiss lens. Any direction is truly apprecited.

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Jan 1, 2018 16:01:49   #
toxdoc42
 
I thought speedlights and strobes were the same thing.

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Jan 1, 2018 16:43:27   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
I thought speedlights and strobes were the same thing.


"Speedlight is the brand name used by Nikon Corporation for their photographic flash units, used since the company's introduction of strobe flashes in the 1960s. Nikon's standalone Speedlights (those not built into the company's cameras) have the SB- prefix as part of their model designation. Current Speedlights and other Nikon accessories make up part of Nikon's Creative Lighting System (CLS), which includes the Advanced Wireless Lighting, that enables various Nikon cameras to control multiple Nikon flash units in up to three separate controlled groups by sending encoded pre-flash signals to slave units.

Nikon's competitors like Canon and Ricoh use the similar name Speedlite for their flashes. Both names indicate that strobe flashes produce much shorter and more intense bursts of light than earlier photographic lighting systems, such as flashbulbs, or continuous lamps used in some studio situations."

Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_Speedlight

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Jan 1, 2018 17:00:00   #
jcboy3
 
CO wrote:
The only negative about continuous lighting is that they won't help to freeze motion and their output is not a high as strobes. I attended a model photo shoot recently where only continuous lighting was used. For some of the shots, I had to use shutter speeds as low as 1/25 second, f/5.6, ISO1250. I really didn't want to go higher than ISO1250 because there would be more digital noise.

The lighting here was a continuous LED ring flash. I used ISO1250, f/5.6, 1/30 second. Lots of motion blur.
The only negative about continuous lighting is tha... (show quote)


Proving that noise is better than motion blur.

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Jan 1, 2018 17:02:03   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Not mobile????
Hogwash!
What’s your definition of mobile?
Did a lot of location work with Speedotron, Comet and ProPhoto units back in my film days.
They are bigger than any monolights I’ve used.
I still use monolights on location for larger jobs, but I use speedlights off camera more frequently.
Maybe you mean speedlights are more mobile than monolights. That I would agree with.
There are battery-powered monolights made by Dynalite, ProPhoto, Godox among others, perfect for taking on location...ie: mobile.
Not mobile???? br Hogwash! br What’s your definiti... (show quote)


👍 Yep!

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Jan 1, 2018 17:03:15   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
If I have the time, I prefer Studio Strobes, if not, Speedlights work well indeed. In the "OLD" days, it wasn't unusual to set strobes up in a gym that you worked in regularly. Today, with the higher ISOs, that's not done near as much. I have begun using Nikon's newest Wireless system, with good results, when added light is absolutely necessary. Happy New Year.

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Jan 1, 2018 17:19:53   #
pendennis
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
I thought speedlights and strobes were the same thing.


To be purely technical, a strobe light (stroboscope) operates differently, and was pioneered by Dr. Harold Edgerton, of M.I.T. It enabled scientists at first, then photographers in general, to "stop" moving objects in laboratory conditions. A stroboscope cycles very quickly, and usually have variable pulse rates, far faster than any electronic flash. Stoboscopes have been used to provide visual effects, including those used in discos.

Heiland Research one of the pioneers in electronic flash, was purchased by Honeywell in the 1950's, and from then on started marketing the "Strobonar" models of electronic flashes. Heiland also made the "light saber" flash units for Graflex, and were later used in the "Star Wars" franchise. Strobonars were made well into the 1980's, before Rollei stopped production.

The electronic flash (Speedlights, Strobonars, Vivitar, Sun, etc.) can't cycle at the speed that stroboscopes work. While capacitors have improved, and thyristor circuitry led to the modern electronic flash recycling times, they still don't operate as quickly.

PS - Just as a matter of trivia, the diameter of the Graflex flash guns, and the Strobonar handles are exactly the same. Strobonar capacitors were the same diameter as "D" cell batteries.

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Jan 1, 2018 17:20:45   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I also own a set of five Pocket Wizards and have found them very useful over the years as they can be used for many triggering jobs, flash included. I would add a word of caution about battery powered units and that is, unless you're going to be using them on an ongoing basis, you will, most likely, have issues with the batteries as these types of batteries don't fair well if not used. Best of luck.

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Jan 1, 2018 17:27:07   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
pendennis wrote:
To be purely technical, a strobe light (stroboscope) operates differently, and was pioneered by Dr. Harold Edgerton, of M.I.T. It enabled scientists at first, then photographers in general, to "stop" moving objects in laboratory conditions. A stroboscope cycles very quickly, and usually have variable pulse rates, far faster than any electronic flash. Stoboscopes have been used to provide visual effects, including those used in discos.

Heiland Research one of the pioneers in electronic flash, was purchased by Honeywell in the 1950's, and from then on started marketing the "Strobonar" models of electronic flashes. Heiland also made the "light saber" flash units for Graflex, and were later used in the "Star Wars" franchise. Strobonars were made well into the 1980's, before Rollei stopped production.

The electronic flash (Speedlights, Strobonars, Vivitar, Sun, etc.) can't cycle at the speed that stroboscopes work. While capacitors have improved, and thyristor circuitry led to the modern electronic flash recycling times, they still don't operate as quickly.

PS - Just as a matter of trivia, the diameter of the Graflex flash guns, and the Strobonar handles are exactly the same. Strobonar capacitors were the same diameter as "D" cell batteries.
To be purely technical, a strobe light (stroboscop... (show quote)


👍 very good history lesson on the subject.

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