Proverbs 26:12 (NASB)
12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Am I trying to insult you? To which do you consider yourself to be, the one who is wise in his own eyes and can not be taught or the fool who knows no better?

By what you say it sounds as if you want to take religion out of religion but call yourself a Christian. Do you not know that Christianity is just one of the three major religions of the world with Christianity at the top with over 2.1 billion followers and here you are wanting to change how we are to worship God, reduce Jesus to a mere man and set the Holy Spirit aside as just a messenger? Not to mention doing away with the Bible. Do you really think that you can change the mind of God?

However, you are correct that you can not be insulted. A man wise in his own eyes is to puffed up with himself to care and a fool wouldn't know the difference.

So... A stone is not part of the universe and has not been created by god and as such represents god?

I did specify that a stone does nothing compared to the holy spirit. WHO spoke of 'a stone needing salvation' if not you. Where did you find this aberration?

Trouble is, now that I read that, I just realized that a stone does something - if it is not recognized as part of the creation -.

A stone, like everything else is part of god's creation as such it is part of our faith about god being the creator of all things. Just don't go about and worship the thing. Being a representation and a creation of god does not make it a god.

Everything that surrounds us is a proof that god exist - even what man has modified to suit its need, for better or for worse.

Just think about it.

Note: This was my full statement If you go onto the interpretation that god is every where, the holy spirit does become god but so does a stone or anything else for that matter.

- Where is it demonstrated the the holy spirit IS god?
- Then what is this thing about 'saints'? There are no saints in the bible, just great men doing god's work.
- How about 'the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God'? How does this equate with being god?
- 'whose end will be according to their works...' Does this not imply we have to work to stay saved instead of sitting on our butts?
- “It is written.” Indeed it is. Because of that satan could not do anything. One cannot go against reality even if one tries. There is much more here than a simple reference to the bible.
-“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” I have no issue with that, far from it.
- ‘God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.’ And you do not see what is being said and how? God has no 'essence' meaning no physical presence. In that context he is 'spirit', not the 'holy ghost'. 'Worship him in spirit and in truth' what spirit is being mentioned here? That of a christian? What does 'truth' alludes to? We worship in our mind, in spirit and in truth with our faith that does not need the mind but complements it.
- Then you have a statement that appears to go against the grain - it does not - : " “The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.” This goes along with no associating with evil. A judgement call on WHAT is evil, not WHO is evil - THAT is reserved for god to decide, not us as individuals.

Thus far, everything you post is true, I will never dispute this. This does not address the holy spirit as being god.

Your use of the bible is justified as you use it with a christian to share your thoughts and faith. The thing is, what you quote just reinforces my belief that the holy spirit is not god but a tool of god. Same as the computers we use to communicate are tools. The difference one is used by the god and the other by us, humans.

What I criticize strongly is the use of the bible as a weapon against folks who could be converted had the weapon not been used incorrectly. Faith has nothing to do with knowledge. The two will always fight each other even within a christian.

That is the point of my disagreement with the translations and additions made to the bible over the ages. 'Saint' is used by several religions to create false worshiping, influence, control and $$$.

The only one who decides if saints exist has been killed. That person was insistent that we were all equals, even in the body of christ after his resurrection. I am not a saint, will never claim to be one because in my heart I know I am sinner. I know what I did, before and after coming to christ.