Why are the Republicans so desperate to discredit Mueller?
Dec 27, 2017 16:29:28 #
KGOldWolf wrote:
Actually, Pegasus said there should be no investigation because “no crime had been committed”. He repeated that position even after being told the investigation was in process to determine if a crime was committed. He doesn’t understand that probable cause (creditable allegations) can initiate an investigation to determine if charges should be brought forward.
Probable cause of what crime is the question, can you answer that simple question.
Dec 27, 2017 18:52:43 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Probable cause of what crime is the question, can you answer that simple question.
"The 2017 Special Counsel investigation is an ongoing investigation in the United States led by former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel under supervision of the United States Department of Justice. Mueller is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections including exploring any links or coordination between Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government. Several members of the Trump campaign and administration have been convicted or indicted as a result of the investigation, including Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, and Paul Manafort.
Mueller's investigation subsumed several existing FBI investigations including those involving former campaign chairman Manafort and former National Security Advisor Flynn. In August 2017, Mueller's investigation reportedly expanded to include several lobbying firms, including the Podesta Group. Mueller has assembled a team of attorneys to conduct the investigation into links between Trump associates and Russian officials along with related matters."
And there you have the duty Robert Mueller was charged with by the DOJ.
Dec 27, 2017 18:57:34 #
McKinneyMike wrote:
"The 2017 Special Counsel investigation is an... (show quote)
What is the crime he is investigating, can you name a specific crime?
Dec 27, 2017 19:06:51 #
Pegasus wrote:
Glad to see that I live rent-free in your mind.
I stand by my assertion. This investigation should not be taking place as there was no crime to investigate and no probable cause outside the fake dossier.
I stand by my assertion. This investigation should not be taking place as there was no crime to investigate and no probable cause outside the fake dossier.
You stand by your mere assertion? Bully for you. Trump asserted the same thing, look how far that got him.
Dec 27, 2017 19:16:36 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
What is the crime he is investigating, can you name a specific crime?
I wasn't aware of any charges being brought at this time. It is an investigation as I quoted.
Dec 27, 2017 19:30:19 #
McKinneyMike wrote:
I wasn't aware of any charges being brought at this time. It is an investigation as I quoted.
Generally there has to be a crime prior to an investigation, the cops and the FBI don't generally go around investigating people to see if they can find a crime they may have committed.... But that seems to be how this has played out... No crime was identified, just a bunch of dems somehow got a special prosecutor appointed to start a fishing expedition.
Dec 27, 2017 19:55:19 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Probable cause of what crime is the question, can you answer that simple question.
It is not a simple question as you well know.
The Special Prosecutor's investigation is the result of a long term pattern of suspicious behavior taken by Trump and his associates. Initially the concern focused on the meetings between Trump representatives, (notably Flynn at that point) and Russian representatives as high as Russia's Ambassador Kislyak. There were many meetings from the time preceding Trump's announcement to run for President up to and past his inauguration which caused an escalating concern over the influence Russian operatives were having / had on the election. As concern about these meetings escalated, and concern about Flynn's integrity grew, Trump met privately with Comey in which the president reportedly said, "I hope you can let this go." Comey and others felt Trump's intercession was damned close to an attempt to obstruct the investigation into Flynn's activities.
On March 20, 2017, during a public hearing with the House Intelligence Committee, Comey publicly acknowledged that the bureau is investigating whether there was collusion between members of Donald Trump's campaign and Russia. Within two months, on May 9, 2017, Trump fired Comey. The next day Trump met with top Russian diplomats in the White House, during which he reportedly revealed classified information. According to a later New York Times report, the president also told them that day, "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off."
This created a firestorm within Congress and there were calls for a Special Prosecutor's investigation. Trump has not been accused of any crime (to the best of my knowledge). Trump's OWN ADMINISTRATION appointed former FBI director Robert Mueller as special counsel to lead an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
In total, the behavior of Trump operatives over a span of the primaries to now were of such concern that members of his own party called for a Special Prosecutor because they felt there was sufficient cause to investigate creditable allegations of involvement of a foreign power interfering with the election.
I hope that answers your question.
Dec 27, 2017 20:10:28 #
KGOldWolf wrote:
It is not a simple question as you well know. br... (show quote)
No, demonic spin does not answer my question, nice try however. Also, when you cut and paste you really should give attribution.
Dec 27, 2017 20:34:01 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
No, demonic spin does not answer my question, nice try however. Also, when you cut and paste you really should give attribution.
Actually, that smarmy comment is not like you.
I put the facts out as I know them; are there parts you disagree with? If so, publish them - I answered your question. Your admonishment about "cut and paste" is disappointing. FYI - I'm well aware of the requirements of "peer review publications"... it was not cut and pasted.
I'm not the one in denial here.... I am on record as saying I want the professionals to conduct their investigation and will accept the outcome regardless of the report findings. I'm being objective about this, are you?
Dec 27, 2017 20:36:31 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
No, demonic spin does not answer my question, nice try however. Also, when you cut and paste you really should give attribution.
You will know if and when charges are filed, just like the rest of us. His and the campaigns action brought all of this about. It was not concocted out of thin air. There was a great deal of smoke which in turn brought about surveillance, which brought about the special investigator. It is really quite simple.
Dec 27, 2017 20:38:55 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
No, demonic spin does not answer my question, nice try however. Also, when you cut and paste you really should give attribution.
You like I have wasted time with these clowns, they never answer challenges to their assertions....NEVER because they lie too much.
Dec 27, 2017 20:42:57 #
EyeSawYou wrote:
You like I have wasted time with these clowns, they never answer challenges to their assertions....NEVER because they lie too much.
I provided a detailed answer based on the facts as I know them. When have you ever been so forthcoming? All you do is lower the discussion to your comfort zone... little more than childish insults.
Dec 27, 2017 20:45:25 #
KGOldWolf wrote:
I provided a detailed answer based on the facts as I know them. When have you ever been so forthcoming? All you do is lower the discussion to your comfort zone... little more than childish insults.
Yes it is true I resorted to silly insults, just got tired of the BS lies and diversions, more so from 2 others than from you, although you do perform the same type of diversions as well. But no, you did not provide detailed answers to my questions to you a few days ago.
Dec 27, 2017 20:51:19 #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Yes it is true I resorted to silly insults, just got tired of the BS lies and diversions, more so from 2 others than from you, although you do perform the same type of diversions as well.
If you disagree with what I’ve posted then tell me why. I don’t pretend to know everything. Hell, I’m willing to consider but save the insults, they are hurled merely to deflect attention from the heart of the matter. Deflecting attention is a sign of intransigence, a weak way to promote your opinion.
(Of course, that’s just my opinion!)
Dec 27, 2017 20:59:34 #
KGOldWolf wrote:
If you disagree with what I’ve posted then tell me why. I don’t pretend to know everything. Hell, I’m willing to consider but save the insults, they are hurled merely to deflect attention from the heart of the matter. Deflecting attention is a sign of intransigence, a weak way to promote your opinion.
(Of course, that’s just my opinion!)
(Of course, that’s just my opinion!)
I have tried this with you and others before, you create diversions just as the others on here, it just gets tiring. Maybe we can start fresh the next time we are in a discussion on another subject matter when it arises.
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