Media bias
Dec 24, 2017 11:31:35 #
SteveR wrote:
Politics and everything else aside, I started watc... (show quote)
Clay sucks ass, another pos draft dodger.
Dec 24, 2017 12:16:40 #
Jack Jackson could have beat Marciano, but nobody ever talked about him during Marciano's time.
Dec 24, 2017 12:23:48 #
Dec 24, 2017 12:30:42 #
I saw both fighters, one was a brawler, the other a boxer. Both were great for the era's they fought within. Note: Ali didn't dodge the draft, he claimed CO status, took a lot of heat for his beliefs and was vilified by the politicians.
Dec 24, 2017 12:53:16 #
We have some boxing experts here. What are your takes on Joe Louis and others from before. Joe was pre-WW2 and thats when I grew up.
Dec 24, 2017 13:07:07 #
In sports I'm totally color blind. I think a person's ability should be the discussion, not his color, beliefs, or anything else. Perhaps not the greatest fighter of all time but my favorite was Sugar Ray Leonard. He held titles in 5 weight classes! His greatest fault was staying around too long. He should have stayed retired rather than un-retiring a couple of times!
Dec 24, 2017 13:34:35 #
AirWalter
Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
jerryc41 wrote:
Society doesn't look far back into the past when looking for great popular heroes. We generally look for people we remember seeing. I remember Rocky Marciano and Rocky Graziano from when I was a kid, but I'm 73 now, so he's not exactly a household name. And why should he be? He was a prize fighter, an entertainer, not a national savior.
Jerry, He is also a part of this Country's history; something that todays younger generations hears very little about.
Dec 24, 2017 14:04:46 #
1Feathercrest
Loc: NEPA
foodie65 wrote:
In all these discussions, I fail to see the name Joe Louis mentioned???
Amen, Joe Louis besides being perhaps the greatest heavyweight, was not a braggart like Ali (nee Cassius Clay). Louis showed quiet humility without being obsequious. He also did not refuse to serve his country. I was a huge fan of Joe Louis and also a great admirer of Rocky Marciano for their skills in the ring and Americanism outside of it.
Dec 24, 2017 15:13:22 #
brucebc
Loc: Tooele, Utah
Any of the above mentioned could have whipped our butts so lets enjoy what they did. Why argue about something that can't be proved.
Dec 24, 2017 15:45:41 #
NewGuy wrote:
Jack Jackson could have beat Marciano, but nobody ever talked about him during Marciano's time.
That's just it. Times change. If you go back and look at Louis and Marciano's style of boxing, they couldn't have lasted in the days of Frazier and Ali. Why? Because of everything that the trainers learned during the eras of Louis and Marciano. The real fight that I would like to see would be Marciano and Tyson. In fact, I'd like to see everybody face Tyson in his prime while D'Amato was training him. The other name that hasn't come up is Holmes.
Dec 24, 2017 16:05:22 #
Ali was very good along with entertaining. I saw him come into some fights not in terrific shape.Rocky always came in the ring in top shape. Several of his opponents stated that Rocky was the strongest puncher they ever fought. Both great fighters, two different styles. I liked them both, but my being raised in Brockton, Rocky is my favorite.
Dec 24, 2017 16:22:22 #
Jerry Coupe
Loc: Kent, WA
As in all sports it is very difficult to compare competitors of different periods to determine which one is the 'greatest.' I personally don't think it really matters which boxer or ball player was the 'greatest.' Every pick will be challenged by some one that has a different favorite and many reasons why that choice is the greatest.
Marciano was great during his period because he was the champ then. Ali was champ during his time and even with a five year interruption, and so on.
Marciano was great during his period because he was the champ then. Ali was champ during his time and even with a five year interruption, and so on.
Dec 24, 2017 16:39:51 #
pbearperry wrote:
Ali was very good along with entertaining. I saw him come into some fights not in terrific shape.Rocky always came in the ring in top shape. Several of his opponents stated that Rocky was the strongest puncher they ever fought. Both great fighters, two different styles. I liked them both, but my being raised in Brockton, Rocky is my favorite.
He'd do the Ali suffle and other fighters just didn't know what to make of it and when he was finished he'd follow it up with a solid right.
Dec 24, 2017 17:02:34 #
1Feathercrest wrote:
Amen, Joe Louis besides being perhaps the greatest heavyweight, was not a braggart like Ali (nee Cassius Clay). Louis showed quiet humility without being obsequious. He also did not refuse to serve his country. I was a huge fan of Joe Louis and also a great admirer of Rocky Marciano for their skills in the ring and Americanism outside of it.
Gorgeous George was the prototype "braggart". It was calculated, he discovered an outrageous persona would get bums on seats to see him get whipped. Many entertainers and sports stars have used this simple ploy to make a lot of money.
Many others, like me, didn't follow boxing much before or after Ali. The tragedy and cruelty of boxing is these poor bastards hanging on for that last big payday, well past their prime. Ali became an international icon, bigger than the sport itself. For those still fighting the cultural wars, this is intolerable.
Reporter ... "Cassius, I just saw Sonny Liston outside."
Cassius Clay ... "Ain't he ugly?"
Reporter ... irrepressible laughter.
Dec 24, 2017 17:34:30 #
usnpilot wrote:
Don't you have better things to do than post meaningless drivel. A computer generated fight had Marciano beating Ali.
I wouldn't give that fight much credence, it was probably run by those crooked climate scientists we hear so much about. lol
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