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Consumer Reports Ranks The Nikon D7500 At The Bottom
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Dec 24, 2017 07:41:07   #
bedouin Loc: Big Bend area, Texas
 
Way back when I subscribed I used the pages to line my parakeet cage.

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Dec 24, 2017 07:56:55   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Does anyone even pay attention to CR anymore. I think most people are more likely to go with ratings on Amazon or at B&H or Adorama. I have not even thought about CR for years let alone looked at anything they have to say. I would also have to question their expertise in things photography related.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Dec 24, 2017 07:57:05   #
mrtaxi Loc: Old Westbury NY, Fort Lauderdale, FL
 
Consumer reports ratings on cars are way off the mark also. I own a relatively large fleet of NYC taxicabs that run about 22 hrs a day 365 1/4 days a year. Several of the vehicles that they gave excellent reliability and cost to repair ratings to, that we tested extensively were actually way more unreliable and much more expensive than others listed as average. As to their ability to understand what makes one camera better than another, is highly questionable. As we all know it requires an understanding and experience that their testers probably don’t understand. I like to stick to Dpreview.com and other reviewers that specialize in the field.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:06:16   #
Demianr
 
I wouldn't go to a proctologist for brain surgery or even a general practitioner

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Dec 24, 2017 08:08:20   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
RKL349 wrote:
I would question the expertise of their testers when reviewing sophisticated photographic equipment. I have not seen the review and I am sure there will be reviews of other less expensive, point and shoot’s, that they rate higher. This what happens when an organization tries to sell themselves as “highly knowledgeable” on all things.


I would think their level of evaluation which is not based on any bias is of more value than someone who justs take pictures.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:10:46   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
For Nikon cameras I have never known Steve Perry to be off on his recommendations and believe him to be one of the best wildlife photographers out there in the same class as Moose Peterson. I credit Steve Perry on making me a better photographer.

Jim Bob wrote:
One must carefully read Consumer Reports' analysis of electronic devices with particular attention to the criteria utilized for evaluation. Frequently those criteria are skewed toward persons with less than enthusiast levels of interest and are therefore of limited value to knowledgeable consumers. I know having been a subscriber for over 30 years. Even guys like Rockwell, Northrup and to a much lesser extent, Perry and Hogan, are sometimes off on there opinions about equipment. And they are experts. Do you really expect anything better from Consumer Reports?
One must carefully read Consumer Reports' analysis... (show quote)

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Dec 24, 2017 08:18:20   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
twr25 wrote:
I've never had any real confidence in Consumer Reports. They always rank the "middle of the road" items as best. Price has a lot to do with their rankings. I agree with the comment above ... they probably used a junk lens and really have no way of comparing different cameras from various brands. Following their advise was a poor choice 20 yrs ago with cars and it's still a poor choice to give credence to their standings on any product.

Agree. I've been a subscriber for years. Consumers can be a very useful resource of information, but before buying or not buying anything they review I always look at additional reviews elsewhere.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:33:44   #
Dossile
 
CR attempts to be objective. It tries to avoid bias. I like that a lot. However, it misses out on subtle differences between products that can prove very valuable to me as a user. I have subscribed for years and use it as a guide to look at major features of consumer products. If those features are what I am looking for, it is great as a guide. However, I have been very happy for years with multiple purchases rated as mediocre because I value a range of attributes not examined adequately by CR. This is especially true of high end products. The 7500 is a higher end product. Personally, based on reviews by reputable sources like DP Review and also examining features, I would choose a D 500. But the difference in price is significant. The 7200 is a great camera with a few less features and a lower price still. Great photos are at your finger tips with all three. I personally wouldn’t consider a D5600, although it has nice features and can also take great pictures. In short, although I like CR, sometimes they are wrong. Sometimes products are rated too highly, sometimes superior products are rated too low. I would trust CR with point and shoots and entry level DSR’s, but never higher end products like the D 7500 or its more prestigious older brothers like the D500 or D 850. For higher end products I rely on professional reviews and consumer comments and don’t even reference CR.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:34:02   #
BebuLamar
 
deanfl wrote:
Steve, Thank you for your detailed response. I had watched your D7500 review before and just watched most of it again. Your review and other favorable reviews are reasons I was surprised by the CR review. Yes, I knew the sensor is the same as the D500.

In the CR report Pros it says: Images taken in low light(no flash) were sharp and Photos displayed almost no visual noise, even in low light.

There is only one Con listed: Takes fair photos.

This is probably the worst comment a camera review could say about any camera.

Also, they used a Nikon 18-140 lens for their testing. A well reviewed lens.

Thank you for your time...and for posting your photos.
Steve, Thank you for your detailed response. I had... (show quote)


FAIR is the worst comment??? To me most cameras should be called fair. fair is the norm.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:35:56   #
cdayton
 
BebuLamar wrote:
do you subscribe? If not they wouldn't let you have free access to their articles.

They take no advertising so exist on subscriptions. Free access to articles would be a bad business model for them. I subscribed for many years and found their reviews to be useful but you must be cognizant of their test criteria for each product. Unlike car magazines who get test fine-tuned vehicle from dealers, they buy incognito from dealers and get all the usual defects. I’m sure they bought their cameras over the counter while photo magazines almost certainly get carefully vetted units. This could be a factor in ratings.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:41:59   #
BebuLamar
 
cdayton wrote:
They take no advertising so exist on subscriptions. Free access to articles would be a bad business model for them. I subscribed for many years and found their reviews to be useful but you must be cognizant of their test criteria for each product. Unlike car magazines who get test fine-tuned vehicle from dealers, they buy incognito from dealers and get all the usual defects. I’m sure they bought their cameras over the counter while photo magazines almost certainly get carefully vetted units. This could be a factor in ratings.
They take no advertising so exist on subscriptions... (show quote)


I actually agree with you they are not bias and one must be aware of their criteria. For example a camera without built in flash I think they would score lower while I myself would score higher. Same goes for cameras without video. And I actually think their reports are useful although I believe they would rate the camera I chose to buy at the bottom, the Nikon Df.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:47:36   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
alx wrote:
As a newcomer here, I almost feel guilty posting, but here goes...

I've always had a hard time taking Consumer Reports seriously ever since they put the Nikon F2 down.

The reason - The viewfinder showed the whole film area and when you got your slides back the edges were hidden under the slide mount!

Other cameras gave you a better idea of what you would get.

In the real world, that edge to edge view was prized.

So much for CR as an expert source.


One might wonder which Viewfinder / Meter Head they were referring to? Photamic, High Point, plain Pentaprism, Medical Titanium Nikon F2, there were many variations on the F2. And as I recall, various precise magnification ratios for the finders, say 95 - 102% (that is a guess on my part).

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Dec 24, 2017 08:48:27   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Just because you don't take advertising doesn't mean you cannot be bought. I have seen various industry type publications where your product ranking was highly influenced by the amount of money you were willing to pay them. I believe I also read somewhere that ADA sells their certification of tooth paste of all things... Consumer Reports was a good resource for some things but today there are a lot of resources to look at too. You just have to decide which ones you have faith in yourself.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Dec 24, 2017 08:50:04   #
BebuLamar
 
lamiaceae wrote:
One might wonder which Viewfinder / Meter Head they were referring to? Photamic, High Point, plain Pentaprism, Medical Titanium Nikon F2, there were many variations on the F2. And as I recall, various precise magnification ratios for the finders, say 95 - 102% (that is a guess on my part).


Which issue of CR did you find those? I used to read CR back in 76-77 and I didn't see any of those mistakes you said.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:52:29   #
richardsaccount
 
IMHO I would take Consumer Reports with a grain of salt, actually a salt block!. I remember back around the seventh decade of the Twentieth Century, Consumer Reports rated a Canon fixed mount 35mm point and shoot as better than the Minolta made Leica CL. Which was a camera with interchangeable lenses. I can't remember if they used optical quality as a criteria. Leica designed their lenses with micro contrast in mind over resolution maybe they just looked at lines per millimeter numbers. Also in the recent past they gave the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport a top rating. A couple of years later on a TV show which I can't remember the name of, a guy representing Consumer Reports stated that Mitsubishi Motors was the worst car manufacturer. Go figure. Like some people in other posts have said, do your own research and talk to people that have used the product which you are interested in.

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