Rongnongno Loc: FL

And pretty please ignore the 'unbalanced answer' that disturbs you.

You are not a pastor. You are a pretender. Your first post hinted toward that. This one does the same thing, just amplifies my opinion.

tjim Loc: Far Northern California

I wasn't sure I should chime in but I haven't used my quota of "sure shouldn't have said that for sure" today so here goes.

I don't know Rongnongo from a hole in the ground but I do concur that he's a bit controversial. He says things that certainly get our backs up. He throws some tradition and theological reasoning out the door. Or maybe he's just asking questions everyone thinks about at some time or another in their faith walk. And, maybe, he's saying things that need to be listened to and processed by today's Christian. Maybe he's saying things that, to us seem heretical, but need to be thoughtfully and Spiritually wrestled with

I don't agree with tone of his arguments but there is much in them that I think expresses a battled but secure faith; one, of which he is not reluctant to express. Let's face it, many Christians put up a front of "everything is great since I found Jesus" when, in reality, many of those same Christians are warring inside. And in many ways the church, well meaning as it may be, does nothing to help. We've heard the saying "the church is the only institution that shoots it's wounded".

It's true I know nothing of Rongnongo. He doesn't need any of my support and probably doesn't want it. This post is more for some of us than him but I feel he is a person who has a saving faith and has been redeemed. He is irascible, outspoken, a bit heretical, and ornery (maybe a bit like my wife) but we'd better learn to listen to and find compassion in his story. In it I hear some great pains with traditional church and pastoral leadership. And it truly is the story of many.
I may be all wet but that's the way I see it.

bobishkan Loc: Fort Myers Sunny Florida

One of the fundamentals of the faith that define a Christian is a belief in the Trinity. He does not. His God is not your God. That is not something we can banter over! Bob

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Where in the bible is the holy spirit announced as 'god'?

The holy spirit is real, just not as god. You can call me a heretic all you want.

I also love the phrasing... His God is not your God.
- Who makes you think first that I own god?
- Who gives you the right to speak for others? Is not your god??? Great. Speak for yourself.

Either way, you do not own god or anything for that matter.

Your attitude is what drives folks away from god. You judge, you assert, you condemn. Everything christ told us NOT to do.

"Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit after his Crucifixion and Resurrection." He did not mention anything about the holy spirit being part of himself or his father. Yet the credo goes: the holy spirit is god. Well, I have a special relationship with the guy. It does not include the messenger as a representation of god.

Would you call the UPS guy an employee of the store where you bought something or the UPS delivery man???

Beercat Loc: Central Coast of California

"Your attitude is what drives folks away from god. You judge, you assert, you condemn. Everything christ told us NOT to do." .... But aren't you condemning, judging and asserting your own belief ;)

BTW, Christ is spelled with a capital C

UPS man? How can you buy something that is free? And God does not look at us as "employees". Sons and Daughters are not employees of their father.

tjim Loc: Far Northern California

Of course!!! You are absolutely right and I'm am not arguing over the points which are heretical. I am trying to say there may be a wound of which we do not know or see and maybe even he doesn't know. I just can't condemn him. I know technically no one here has condemned him nor can we condemn anyone.
In my career I have ministered to hundreds with similar stories, battles and pains. I couldn't "save" a one; that was Jesus' work but neither could I condemn one.
And, yes, we have the duty to uphold and provide apologetics for the Gospel of Jesus, but instead of condemning him as a person of satan because of his words why not try finding some of the redeemable voice in his words? I, too have a problem with his explanation of the Trinity or his lower case use of god. But unless we know him in person it is presumptuous to claim his God is not ours. It very well may be but I do not have the knowledge to state that.
A few hasty, though well thought, words on a social site can seldom show the heart or salvation of another.
If Rongnongo wants me to know for sure he resists the Spirit and seeks condemnation he can simply say "I deny Jesus" but I haven't yet read that.
Now, all that being said, he could just be an angry troll wanting to get some Christians leather up but I don't so.
Personally, I'd like to meet the guy.
Might be getting close to "sure shouldn't have said that" today.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

man... you should read a bit before posting.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Sorry, there is no wound nor is there any confusion on my part.

The only help I need is not something anyone should do for anyone else. I rejoice every moment that passes as they bring me closer to death. I have a good life. I am not about to end it either. Death is the ultimate gift as that day you join with god.

About 'denying christ'.... When in the Middle East I had numerous exchanges with muslims and even a couple of hardcore islamists. One of those hardcore guys said something that shocked me. 'You should be a muslim', not a christian. I told him, sorry, christ is the son of god, not a prophet. I have no fear to profess my belief and be a witness regardless of situation*. Still, I do not argue against someone's faith or refusal of god.

To me, god decides. Not man, certainly not I. Christ forgave a murderer on the cross. Everyone condemned that man. What is the justice in that? Can anyone tell? I cannot. I just know one thing: if christ forgave this man he had his reason and I trust christ, not my flawed perception.

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* Caveat: if one tortures me I probably will say whatever is needed to keep the pain away. I know what pain is, trust me. I do not wish to experiment it again.

tjim Loc: Far Northern California

Even though we are apart on some stuff I'll join you with having flawed perceptions but still looking forward to the day I am with God.

Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City

In spite of your never-ending ramblings. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

Beercat Loc: Central Coast of California

I've taken this off my 'watch list' as of now ;)

dmc Loc: Montgomery, AL

Rongnongno Loc: FL

To show this section what an hypocrite you are you placed me on your ignore list.

A 'real' christian would not do that. Christ himself did not do that when being tortured then crucified. You have not been tortured nor crucified.

It is funny because i was about to post in your defense in your MPF thread.

In my eyes you confirmed that you truly are the 'merchant' I called you.

Enjoy your delusion of 'being 'right' and 'god like'. You are neither, just a poor sap who does not understand what christ is about.

The other funny part? You can only answer by 'un-ignoring me'.



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Rongnongno Loc: FL

'We' are not apart. The holy spirit is a hot button. He appears all over in the bible but only once in the new testament. He is part of god only as 'we' are part of god. He is not god ad christ is and of course god himself.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

mmmm

Corrected the mistype.