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Jul 11, 2012 23:39:50   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
calmoneil wrote:
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed an opportunity, why not have a trash the dress session with her. She gets to have another day of feeling like a princess and u get to take photos of her!!! WIN! WIN! It depends on how much you want to "trash" the dress that is the thing u need to think of first. I did a session with my niece and nephew. We went on RR tracks, in a creek, etc. Honestly, the dress was not at all trashed when we finished. It had a little grease from RR tracks (on the underside) that didn't come out but everything else came clean. What do we do with the dresses anyways? We have them cleaned and put in a bag where they hang and don't get seen again. Just some food for thought. Let me know if u decide to do it and I would love to see some of the images!!! Here are a couple that I did.
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed a... (show quote)


Lovely bride but a bad idea. Never show that photo to anyone of her on the railroad tracks. Not only is it dangerous but illigal in most states. Your not even alloud to walk on the tracks. You could be subject to a hefty fine. Next time have the bride in a dumbster or some other place. Just tring to help.

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Jul 11, 2012 23:43:36   #
Ester Loc: MIlan
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Once you have that photographers permission, and give them credit, all is legal. This is quite unlike another poster who openly admitted he has used UHH posted photos in a presold photo book, without anyones permission. Thats a whole other story!


I agree you have nothing to worry about, especially since you agreed on that already. =)
Mt Shooter, are you serious about that guy?? Thats crazy!

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Jul 11, 2012 23:50:10   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
calmoneil wrote:
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed an opportunity, why not have a trash the dress session with her. She gets to have another day of feeling like a princess and u get to take photos of her!!! WIN! WIN! It depends on how much you want to "trash" the dress that is the thing u need to think of first. I did a session with my niece and nephew. We went on RR tracks, in a creek, etc. Honestly, the dress was not at all trashed when we finished. It had a little grease from RR tracks (on the underside) that didn't come out but everything else came clean. What do we do with the dresses anyways? We have them cleaned and put in a bag where they hang and don't get seen again. Just some food for thought. Let me know if u decide to do it and I would love to see some of the images!!! Here are a couple that I did.
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed a... (show quote)


I have seen alot of trash the dress photos calmoneil. Those are very tasteful and elegant. Nice job, and looks like alot of fun. Not sure she would go for that though.

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Jul 11, 2012 23:52:17   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
Wow, I cannot believe how much you miss on this forum when you go to work, again thank you to all who took the time to comment. I will have to quit my day job just to keep up with all the good advice on here, It's addicting!!

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Jul 12, 2012 01:19:15   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
tayco wrote:
I have seen alot of trash the dress photos calmoneil. Those are very tasteful and elegant. Nice job, and looks like alot of fun. Not sure she would go for that though.

I find the notion of trashing a dress that probably cost several hundred dollars, if not several thousand dollars, distasteful in the extreme. It's wasteful, and it deprives any future daughters the opportunity to wear their mother's wedding dress.

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Jul 12, 2012 01:38:36   #
ALYN Loc: Lebanon, Indiana
 
Try to stay as far away from this as possible. Post the pix on your website--but emphasis that these are your daughters pix
Write something to the effect "Just wanted you to see the beautiful pix of the wedding. Susie's friend took them." Moms should not be competing with their daughters. ALYN

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Jul 12, 2012 01:51:05   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
tayco wrote:
My daughter got married last Saturday down in Missouri. They hired a friend to take photos who wants to break in to the wedding photograhy business. I would have taken the photos, but you cant be mother of the bride and photograher too. So they paid her $50.00 with the understanding that i would get the disc to edit. She could use the photos to pursue her business, and i would get decent shots without the stress of trying to do both the meet and greet and photos.

Her shots turned out well, considering it was 110 in the shade of the park. It was a very small beautiful wedding, but now i feel kinda wrong using her shots. any thoughts on this? Is it wrong to do if we went in to it with that understanding? Comments welcome.
My daughter got married last Saturday down in Miss... (show quote)

It would not be wrong to mark the photos as follows:
Copyright Jane Doe 2012
Edited (or Post-Production) Mary Smith 2012
Used by permission

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Jul 12, 2012 02:51:01   #
jolly1
 
Hal81 wrote:
calmoneil wrote:
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed an opportunity, why not have a trash the dress session with her. She gets to have another day of feeling like a princess and u get to take photos of her!!! WIN! WIN! It depends on how much you want to "trash" the dress that is the thing u need to think of first. I did a session with my niece and nephew. We went on RR tracks, in a creek, etc. Honestly, the dress was not at all trashed when we finished. It had a little grease from RR tracks (on the underside) that didn't come out but everything else came clean. What do we do with the dresses anyways? We have them cleaned and put in a bag where they hang and don't get seen again. Just some food for thought. Let me know if u decide to do it and I would love to see some of the images!!! Here are a couple that I did.
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed a... (show quote)


Lovely bride but a bad idea. Never show that photo to anyone of her on the railroad tracks. Not only is it dangerous but illigal in most states. Your not even alloud to walk on the tracks. You could be subject to a hefty fine. Next time have the bride in a dumbster or some other place. Just tring to help.
quote=calmoneil Can I make a suggestion then? If ... (show quote)



Your not helping anybody very much by publishing bad information. Not all areas have the same laws, and very few that do go to any great effort to enforce them. I have photographed tracks, trains, people on the roadbed for many years and have never once been stopped, questioned, or even told to leave the area. If there was really any real concern on the part of the railroads, why is it that there are so many drunks killed when they fell asleep on the tracks. One would think that the very authorities that you are afraid of, would find them and get them off the tracks before the trains came along.

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Jul 12, 2012 03:14:55   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
jolly1 wrote:
Your not helping anybody very much by publishing bad information. Not all areas have the same laws, and very few that do go to any great effort to enforce them. I have photographed tracks, trains, people on the roadbed for many years and have never once been stopped, questioned, or even told to leave the area. If there was really any real concern on the part of the railroads, why is it that there are so many drunks killed when they fell asleep on the tracks. One would think that the very authorities that you are afraid of, would find them and get them off the tracks before the trains came along.
Your not helping anybody very much by publishing b... (show quote)


WRONG! All areas in the USA DO have the same laws; the governing body is thr Federal Railroad Administration, a division of the Department of Transportation. The applicable law is the Code of Federal Regulation (CFR), Title 49. About three weeks ago, a man, either drunk, stoned or both, was almost run down while standing in a restricted area near the tracks near where I live. State Park Rangers escorted him away, but the incident is now under review by thr FRA. That is not an organization you want to mess with.

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Jul 12, 2012 03:16:01   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
jolly1 wrote:
Hal81 wrote:
calmoneil wrote:
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed an opportunity, why not have a trash the dress session with her. She gets to have another day of feeling like a princess and u get to take photos of her!!! WIN! WIN! It depends on how much you want to "trash" the dress that is the thing u need to think of first. I did a session with my niece and nephew. We went on RR tracks, in a creek, etc. Honestly, the dress was not at all trashed when we finished. It had a little grease from RR tracks (on the underside) that didn't come out but everything else came clean. What do we do with the dresses anyways? We have them cleaned and put in a bag where they hang and don't get seen again. Just some food for thought. Let me know if u decide to do it and I would love to see some of the images!!! Here are a couple that I did.
Can I make a suggestion then? If u feel u missed a... (show quote)


Lovely bride but a bad idea. Never show that photo to anyone of her on the railroad tracks. Not only is it dangerous but illigal in most states. Your not even alloud to walk on the tracks. You could be subject to a hefty fine. Next time have the bride in a dumbster or some other place. Just tring to help.
quote=calmoneil Can I make a suggestion then? If ... (show quote)



Your not helping anybody very much by publishing bad information. Not all areas have the same laws, and very few that do go to any great effort to enforce them. I have photographed tracks, trains, people on the roadbed for many years and have never once been stopped, questioned, or even told to leave the area. If there was really any real concern on the part of the railroads, why is it that there are so many drunks killed when they fell asleep on the tracks. One would think that the very authorities that you are afraid of, would find them and get them off the tracks before the trains came along.
quote=Hal81 quote=calmoneil Can I make a suggest... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 12, 2012 07:54:51   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
ALYN wrote:
Try to stay as far away from this as possible. Post the pix on your website--but emphasis that these are your daughters pix
Write something to the effect "Just wanted you to see the beautiful pix of the wedding. Susie's friend took them." Moms should not be competing with their daughters. ALYN


Not sure where this came from ALYN. I am NOT competing with my daughter. But there are people in WI that could not make the trip to Missouri that will want to see the pics. I am sure her edits will be fine, I just want the chance to add my creativity. As i said before I will not be taking any credit for the pictures, jus the oppportunity to be involved and share with my family in WI. Thank you for your time.

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Jul 12, 2012 08:04:07   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
Bill41 wrote:
tayco wrote:
My daughter got married last Saturday down in Missouri. They hired a friend to take photos who wants to break in to the wedding photograhy business. I would have taken the photos, but you cant be mother of the bride and photograher too. So they paid her $50.00 with the understanding that i would get the disc to edit. She could use the photos to pursue her business, and i would get decent shots without the stress of trying to do both the meet and greet and photos.

Her shots turned out well, considering it was 110 in the shade of the park. It was a very small beautiful wedding, but now i feel kinda wrong using her shots. any thoughts on this? Is it wrong to do if we went in to it with that understanding? Comments welcome.
My daughter got married last Saturday down in Miss... (show quote)

It would not be wrong to mark the photos as follows:
Copyright Jane Doe 2012
Edited (or Post-Production) Mary Smith 2012
Used by permission
quote=tayco My daughter got married last Saturday... (show quote)


Thank you Bill41. That is probably what i will do. I like it, simple and to the point.

I am sure I am not the first Mom to encounter this, and i do not have alot of "photography " friends in the area. So do you go out and hire a thousand dollar photographer next time who will not give the rights to do your own edits? Not sure.

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Jul 12, 2012 11:08:45   #
Jim Peters Loc: Pittsburgh
 
Always, In All Situations,Get WRITTEN PERMISSION! In This Case The Law Is ALWAYS On Your Side.
I Have Been A Professional For Over 40 Years. We Have Never Had Problems Because We Do This.

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Jul 12, 2012 12:08:24   #
jolly1
 
Bill41 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Your not helping anybody very much by publishing bad information. Not all areas have the same laws, and very few that do go to any great effort to enforce them. I have photographed tracks, trains, people on the roadbed for many years and have never once been stopped, questioned, or even told to leave the area. If there was really any real concern on the part of the railroads, why is it that there are so many drunks killed when they fell asleep on the tracks. One would think that the very authorities that you are afraid of, would find them and get them off the tracks before the trains came along.
Your not helping anybody very much by publishing b... (show quote)


WRONG! All areas in the USA DO have the same laws; the governing body is thr Federal Railroad Administration, a division of the Department of Transportation. The applicable law is the Code of Federal Regulation (CFR), Title 49. About three weeks ago, a man, either drunk, stoned or both, was almost run down while standing in a restricted area near the tracks near where I live. State Park Rangers escorted him away, but the incident is now under review by thr FRA. That is not an organization you want to mess with.
quote=jolly1 Your not helping anybody very much b... (show quote)



Sorry Bill, but it seems that my copy of the regulations, Title 49,
doesn't seem to addresss the particular matter we were discussing above. It does mention the regulations that certain states have in effect.
Since I fail to find any particular information on the subject I was wondering if you could pick out the portions of the regulation that apply here. Would appreciate muchly.
Incidentally, that organization hasn't bothered me in the past sixty or so years. It's a little late to start worrying about them now.

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Jul 12, 2012 12:29:59   #
MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy
 
jolly1 wrote:
Bill41 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Your not helping anybody very much by publishing bad information. Not all areas have the same laws, and very few that do go to any great effort to enforce them. I have photographed tracks, trains, people on the roadbed for many years and have never once been stopped, questioned, or even told to leave the area. If there was really any real concern on the part of the railroads, why is it that there are so many drunks killed when they fell asleep on the tracks. One would think that the very authorities that you are afraid of, would find them and get them off the tracks before the trains came along.
Your not helping anybody very much by publishing b... (show quote)


WRONG! All areas in the USA DO have the same laws; the governing body is thr Federal Railroad Administration, a division of the Department of Transportation. The applicable law is the Code of Federal Regulation (CFR), Title 49. About three weeks ago, a man, either drunk, stoned or both, was almost run down while standing in a restricted area near the tracks near where I live. State Park Rangers escorted him away, but the incident is now under review by thr FRA. That is not an organization you want to mess with.
quote=jolly1 Your not helping anybody very much b... (show quote)



Sorry Bill, but it seems that my copy of the regulations, Title 49,
doesn't seem to addresss the particular matter we were discussing above. It does mention the regulations that certain states have in effect.
Since I fail to find any particular information on the subject I was wondering if you could pick out the portions of the regulation that apply here. Would appreciate muchly.
Incidentally, that organization hasn't bothered me in the past sixty or so years. It's a little late to start worrying about them now.
quote=Bill41 quote=jolly1 Your not helping anybo... (show quote)



http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/safety/cross_chp9.pdf

second paragraph of document from Federal Railroad Administration, this article also gives a summary to for each state if you are interested.

Quote:
It is against the law in all states to trespass on any private property without permission of the owner
or without having an official reason, and all states provide for minimal punishments.


At the least it looks like the FRA would have you sited with a criminal trespass charge.

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