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Nov 8, 2017 07:23:51   #
Largobob
 
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution. People think there is no need for more resolution in camera sensors and even if resolution is increased the lenses will be a limiting factor.

But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.

For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.

What do you think about this?
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)


And, I believe the Apple iMac has had a 5K resolution screen for years now...

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Nov 8, 2017 07:39:51   #
aardq
 
The train is always moving forward and will never stop. We now have a 4K TV and it has much better picture, and we will upgrade our TVs once the new ones drop in price, but at 69, my camera updating days are probably over. My 7200 will be more than enough for my future. I don't take as many pic as in the past, nor do I experiment as before, so for cameras, it may be time for me to get off the train, and watch it go down the tracks on the way to better (and pricier) cameras and gear. Now, if I was 20 years younger, ...........

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Nov 8, 2017 08:04:02   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Resolution is something that is discussed here practically on a daily baisis. How much resolution we need? There are new cameras that are said to be able to shoot 50 Mp.
I seldom enlarge beyond 13x19 inches. My now gone 12 Mp. cameras did a great job. I am sure my new 17 and 24 Mp. cameras can do better but I do not believe I will be able to tell the difference.
For my needs 17 or 24 Mp. are more than enough.
Right now my Tv is a Samsung, I wish I knew how many pixels are used for resolution but most recently ATT installed a "high definition" feature that makes images pop. The resolution of the Tv remains the same so I cannot explain what is exactly what they did but I certainly can see the difference.
If we keep on buying new cameras with their advanced technology many of us will ruin our finances sooner than later. Nobody needs the best and the latest to make beautiful, high resolution photographs.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:05:12   #
HallowedHill Loc: Chattanooga, TN
 
At what point does the technology exceed our ability to perceive a difference?

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Nov 8, 2017 08:07:19   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution. People think there is no need for more resolution in camera sensors and even if resolution is increased the lenses will be a limiting factor.

But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.

For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.

What do you think about this?
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)


Years ago at the broadcasters convention in Las Vegas. They introduced 4K limitedly. But in the back they had an area where they were showing 8K. The projection was the Russia winter Olympics. At that time there were only two 8K camera at a cost of $1 mil each. It was one of the most beautiful videos I’ve ever seen. I told all my friends at that time that 4K is a steppingstone to a K which is where they want to be when it comes the television in the future.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:14:29   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
crazydaddio wrote:

Where I can see the next game changer is when my TV/Audio can be rolled out at 4'×8' onto a flat wall and at few millimeters thick with viewing angles right up to 180deg. Then 8k becomes awe inspiring and overwhelmingly good as the resolution becomes more important.(Btw, that tech already exists in RnD from an audio perspective...)
...for now 1080 is fine.


How dull.

I want a small, 360 degree projector on the ceiling the immerses me inside a hologram. No screen necessary.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:20:36   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution. People think there is no need for more resolution in camera sensors and even if resolution is increased the lenses will be a limiting factor.

But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.

For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.

What do you think about this?
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)

Technology marches forward, adapt or get run over.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:21:33   #
jmvaugh Loc: Albuquerque
 
Unfortunately for me, as I get older I have to slightly lower the resolution on my computer and laptop. I have to slightly enlarge the text and icons on my phone. I use a mono vision RGP correction lens over my corneal transplant left eye so I can easily see the controls on my camera or my dashboard. So 8K video just doesn’t make my blood run hot. Maybe I’m a small minority in the US and with the resolution race for cameras, videos and TVs it seems buyers are willing to throw down hard cash or God forbid run up their credit cards to buy the latest gear. I’m past that and being retired it’s a good thing.

I had to upgrade and am still upgrading to accommodate the large increase in size of my RAW images and that’s just for a 24 MP crop. Shoot, I’d have to consider going back to work to fund all the upgrades in PP software, storage, lenses, laptops, external storage, and SD and CF cards. I’ll just quietly wait for the give away prices on the mere 50MP full frame cameras that can only do 4K video.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:23:07   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
CO wrote:
I noticed that there have been a lot of models in succession now that have stayed at 24 megapixels. They are the D3200, D3300, D3400, D5200, D5300, D5500, D5600, D7100, and D7200.


It's not really the resolution that is driving this, I believe it's the pixel size on the sensor. I noticed that Nikon seems to have arrived at a pixel size of 4 and a bit micrometer with the D500 and the D850.

The Olympus Four Thirds sensors are at 3.3 micrometer.

On my Note 8, the wide angle camera has a pixel size of 1.4 micrometer and the telephoto camera has a pixel size of 1.0 micrometer. Of course the front camera has a pixel size of 1.22micrometer.

I'm not sure how much smaller Nikon and Olympus want to go,

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Nov 8, 2017 08:25:20   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
jmvaugh wrote:
Shoot, I’d have to consider going back to work to fund all the upgrades in PP software, storage, lenses, laptops, external storage, and SD and CF cards. I’ll just quietly wait for the give away prices on the mere 50MP full frame cameras that can only do 4K video.


I'd rather go back to 6MP than go back to work.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:35:08   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Well, will programming be available for it? I mean who offers 4K programming today? If people think they are going to stream this or get it over cable then we will need a new Internet. Spectrum, I call them Rectum, is already having trouble with all these bundles they are selling and trying to push through their network. My internet goes out multiple times a day the past 6 months and I only have internet from them, nothing else... Sucks. Will Green Acres be upgraded to the new standard? I hope so...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Nov 8, 2017 08:43:08   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
Here's the really nice thing about this. I'm old too and still using a D100 at 6mp. What's nice is that I can finally afford to buy a D300s or if I wait a little into 2018 a D500. To me its wonderful and something to look forward too as everyone try to keep up with the pixel race. I can have their camera with low count because they cant wait to get a new one and save a bundle and be happy with enough of a camera.

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Nov 8, 2017 08:48:52   #
PeterBergh
 
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution. People think there is no need for more resolution in camera sensors and even if resolution is increased the lenses will be a limiting factor.

But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.

For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.

What do you think about this?
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)


I hate to talk like an old curmudgeon, but I think what matters is the quality of the programming, not the resolution at which it is produced. Thus, crap at 8K is the same crap at any lower resolution. Given the lack of quality programming in US television, it would be better not to send it. Thus, resolution is irrelevant to me.

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Nov 8, 2017 09:04:21   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution. People think there is no need for more resolution in camera sensors and even if resolution is increased the lenses will be a limiting factor.

But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.

For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.

What do you think about this?
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)

I believe the problem is most tv shows are not shot in 4K or 8k

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Nov 8, 2017 09:06:57   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
stevetassi wrote:
High MP sensors are a bunch of marketing crap! It’s just a ploy to get you to buy a new camera every couple of years.


Spoken like a true neanderthal!

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