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Nov 6, 2017 19:54:25   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
Bill,

You wrote that rant very well!


Thanks! Had to get it out there. I’ve heard a lot of whining about Adobe these past few weeks.

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Nov 6, 2017 21:18:52   #
Dbrogers Loc: Shenandoah, Iowa
 
Yeah, your probably right.

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Nov 6, 2017 21:53:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Please use the ‘Quote Reply’ button to reply to a specific post. ‘Reply’ is aimed at everyone in the thread...

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Nov 6, 2017 22:14:57   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
rjaywallace wrote:
If you are successfully using Lightroom CC, you don’t want to use Lightroom Classic. Lightroom CC is the top of the line, whereas Lightroom Classic might be termed “Lightroom CC Lite”. Check out the definition of each on websites like DPReview.com and Imaging-Resource.com. Also seek a clear understanding via Google and YouTube.


Sorry, but you've got that backwards. Lightroom Classic CC is the NEW version of Lightroom CC and is what you want. The new Lightroom CC, the one with the slightly different surround color and the rounded corners, is the new, as you called it, lite version which uses the cloud and does not have a full set of features (yet), is the one to avoid. I've been using the Classic version for about a week and am very happy. I had absolutely no issues doing the conversion. Best of luck. (The new naming standard was not well thought out and is, IMHO, confusing.)

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Nov 6, 2017 22:23:34   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Thanks! Had to get it out there. I’ve heard a lot of whining about Adobe these past few weeks.


While others are whining, I'm happily using the new Classic version for my work. Easy as pie. Have yet to test out the new features. That will happen soon. Happy with the tools and very happy with the price.

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Nov 6, 2017 22:53:21   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Thanks! Had to get it out there. I’ve heard a lot of whining about Adobe these past few weeks.


It seems that some get angry about spending the equal to a roll of film each month for their $3K DSLR.

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Nov 7, 2017 00:09:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cjc2 wrote:
While others are whining, I'm happily using the new Classic version for my work. Easy as pie. Have yet to test out the new features. That will happen soon. Happy with the tools and very happy with the price.



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Nov 7, 2017 00:20:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
It seems that some get angry about spending the equal to a roll of film each month for their $3K DSLR.


Yeah, it’s all in your perspective. First and foremost, Adobe builds professional grade tools for the creative professional community. We need them to be there for the long haul. Subscription models insure stability, incremental improvement over time, continual adaptation to change, and more.

I can remember when a professional digital image retouching workstation from Lucht cost $250,000. Adobe threw a grenade on that with an early version of Photoshop. It was more capable at 1/250 the price. That was around 1998... light years behind Photoshop CC 2018. $10/month? It’s a bargain.

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Nov 7, 2017 09:09:52   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
burkphoto wrote:
[Warning: OFF TOPIC RANT]

This argument has been hashed and re-hashed, flogged, and re-flogged, over and over on UHH and countless other sites. Since Adobe went to the Creative Cloud model, several things have happened:

More and more people are using --- yes, USING --- Adobe products. Adobe's stock has appreciated greatly in value.

Accountants at companies that use multiple seats of Adobe products are much happier, because they have a predictable cash expense flow. It's easier to pay a low monthly fee than to upgrade 20 or 200 seats of software all at once! (Imagine being a large printing company or photo lab --- I worked at both --- and every time Adobe came out with a new version, we had to play the game, "Do we upgrade all at once and re-train all our employees, or do we kick the can down the road to the next version?" Continuous updates eliminate that problem!)

Users are happier, now, because their software is always up to date, with the latest bug fixes and improvements.

Users (at least some of them) are happier, because we don't have to shell out $700 or more for a new seat license, or $299 or so for an upgrade to photoshop.

Users are getting better support from Adobe because it is MUCH easier for them to support only the current version of something for the vast majority of their users!

A small, very vocal group of customers who do not understand intellectual property laws and thought they "owned" software for life are screaming like stuck pigs.

The life of a computer is probably five to seven years. Accountants depreciated them in three. The life of an operating system is about five years to Microsoft or Apple. Both update them frequently. MS issues major updates as Service Packs, and minor updates each month on Patch Tuesday. Apple issues a minor upgrade every year or so, with updates about quarterly.

MOST application software has about a two to three year life, before a new version upgrade is available. If software is ever finished, it is ABANDONED. The market demands new and improved, more than stability.

Floppy disks, Zip and Jaz drives, CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs are becoming scarce. The distribution model for software is "all online" now. App Stores abound. Because of the ubiquity of high speed Internet service, it is easy to just download a file. Documentation is a PDF file or a YouTube video.

In an ever-changing world like that, doesn't a subscription make sense? We aren't buying hammers, wrenches, or drills that last 40 years. This is complex collections of on-off switch settings that can be changed (fixed, improved, modified to suit new conditions) rapidly. Even cameras are being launched and their firmware upgraded periodically over several years' time.

Apparently, most folks like the new model, since both Microsoft and Adobe have seen increased sales, revenue, and profits with it. It isn't going away. There will be alternatives, but they won't be mainstream.
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Nov 7, 2017 10:17:51   #
ppage Loc: Pittsburg, (San Francisco area)
 
Everyone seems massively confused. If you are or have been using the lightroom combo with photoshop for 9.99 a month, that is now referred to as Lightroom Classic. Lightroom CC is the new product that is also a subscription model and offers cloud base storage plans where your images would reside. Most of us on the subscription who were using Lightroom CC all this time are now using the product they now refer to as Lightroom CC Classic. It is the most botched naming and worst rollout for a new product I have ever seen.
Dbrogers wrote:
Well, I haven't decided if I want to upgrade to the new Lightrom Classic. I'm waiting to see if there are any major bugs first. I using Lightroom CC now without any problems, but my question is on my Adobe Creative Cloud drop down at the top of my screen under apps it doesn't give me the option to update to the new Lightroom Classic, just wondering why? From what I've read it should be there. If I click on under apps learn more it takes me to Adobe page where it says Get the update. It this the same?
Thanks
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Nov 7, 2017 10:23:29   #
GEEPOPS
 
Okay so I'm one of the people who had a problem. Called Adobe support on hold for an hour before someone answered , then the next 2 hour watching a tech who I allowed remote access to screw my computer up only to tell me it's a Windows problem and hang up. I then in my stupidity took it to Staples, who had my computer for a week called me 6 times to say it was fixed it wasn't. Finally I was given the name and number of a fabulous computer repair guy. He came to my house picked up my computer repaired it and returned it in a day and a half. I asked him what the issue was and he told that the problem is that when Adobe writes a software update that they write that update to run on the newest computers, not taking into consideration that some of us are using older computers. The long and short of it is that the problem is in the power settings so he went in and tweaked them to run the new update

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Nov 7, 2017 10:34:24   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
ppage wrote:
Everyone seems massively confused. If you are or have been using the lightroom combo with photoshop for 9.99 a month, that is now referred to as Lightroom Classic. Lightroom CC is the new product that is also a subscription model and offers cloud base storage plans where your images would reside. Most of us on the subscription who were using Lightroom CC all this time are now using the product they now refer to as Lightroom CC Classic. It is the most botched naming and worst rollout for a new product I have ever seen.
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I have a much younger than me generation X friend that works at Adobe. I asked about the marketing blunder. My friend said they have a "branding" department that gets the blame.

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Nov 7, 2017 10:58:49   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
ppage wrote:
Everyone seems massively confused. If you are or have been using the lightroom combo with photoshop for 9.99 a month, that is now referred to as Lightroom Classic. Lightroom CC is the new product that is also a subscription model and offers cloud base storage plans where your images would reside. Most of us on the subscription who were using Lightroom CC all this time are now using the product they now refer to as Lightroom CC Classic. It is the most botched naming and worst rollout for a new product I have ever seen.
Everyone seems massively confused. If you are or ... (show quote)


Couldn't agree more about the naming! Do you remember Coke Classic? Rollout was fine but, IMHO, the re-naming shouldn't have been a part of that. I guess Adobe had their reasons! Best of luck.

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Nov 7, 2017 11:48:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ppage wrote:
Everyone seems massively confused. If you are or have been using the lightroom combo with photoshop for 9.99 a month, that is now referred to as Lightroom Classic. Lightroom CC is the new product that is also a subscription model and offers cloud base storage plans where your images would reside. Most of us on the subscription who were using Lightroom CC all this time are now using the product they now refer to as Lightroom CC Classic. It is the most botched naming and worst rollout for a new product I have ever seen.
Everyone seems massively confused. If you are or ... (show quote)


It was deliberate and QUITE intentional, I assure you. They're operating under the assumption that any attention is good attention on some level. They get people to try the web experience by accident, sign up for oodles of online storage...

If it works, a user will pay twice as much per month. If you don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe, you keep the plan you had.

The NEW Lightroom CC will eventually be a lot more powerful, and may replace Lightroom Classic CC for some. It will be interesting to watch the evolution. Adobe is careful to listen to their customers.

It does seem like Lr Classic CC is aimed at professionals, and Lr CC is aimed at the mass enthusiast market.

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Nov 7, 2017 11:59:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
GEEPOPS wrote:
Okay so I'm one of the people who had a problem. Called Adobe support on hold for an hour before someone answered , then the next 2 hour watching a tech who I allowed remote access to screw my computer up only to tell me it's a Windows problem and hang up. I then in my stupidity took it to Staples, who had my computer for a week called me 6 times to say it was fixed it wasn't. Finally I was given the name and number of a fabulous computer repair guy. He came to my house picked up my computer repaired it and returned it in a day and a half. I asked him what the issue was and he told that the problem is that when Adobe writes a software update that they write that update to run on the newest computers, not taking into consideration that some of us are using older computers. The long and short of it is that the problem is in the power settings so he went in and tweaked them to run the new update
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On the Mac side, you cannot even download the update if your Mac isn't capable of running it. The Creative Cloud application installer runs a program that looks for the necessary resources and errors out if it does not find them.

I was on OS X 10.10.5 on my iMac, and got that error message on it when I tried to download. My Mid-2010 Mac Mini is on Mac OS 10.12.6, and Lr Classic CC 2018 and Photoshop CC 2018 installed and run fine (if a little slowly) on it. So I updated the Late 2013 iMac to Mac OS 10.13.1, and now it, too, runs the same package just fine.

If you go to Adobe.com and search for "Lightroom Classic CC 2018 Requirements" you will find a page listing all the resources needed for both platforms.

If you download and install the Adobe Creative Cloud application, and use THAT to attempt to download and install apps, it will warn you and prevent installation if your system isn't ready.

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