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Oct 30, 2017 07:34:15   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
I like to photograph horses, who do not often listen to my posing instructions. To avoid missing a really good opportunity I shoot in RAW, and don't have to worry about much other than shutter speed, and staying out of the way. I can fine tune exposure later in PP.

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Oct 30, 2017 07:39:13   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
rmalarz wrote:
Rick, I'm not completely sure I understand your question. I shoot completely manual about 98% of the time. The foremost consideration is shutter speed. That is based on handheld or tripod. Handheld, the usual rule of thumb. The depth of field is the primary consideration. What do I want as an f-stop. What will that f-stop require as a shutter speed? It then becomes a balance or trade-off as to which is more important. A good steady camera is always the important aspect. So, at that point, if I can't get the depth of field I want, I'll use an appropriate higher ISO. If using a tripod, then factors of wind come into play. The shutter speed is determined by that factor and again balancing the depth of field desired, etc. It's a system engineering exercise.

As for metering, I spot meter on the brightest part of the scene. Then increase the exposure an appropriate amount, within my camera's capabilities, to render that portion of the scene the appropriate brightness in the final image. Most of my images, SOOC, look horribly overexposed. However, they are within the limits of the camera and work quite nicely. As a result of this, I rarely chimp. Here's an example of an ideal exposure SOOC.
http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2015/10/11/1444601010698-d700_2015091301_012_sooc.jpg
--Bob
Rick, I'm not completely sure I understand your qu... (show quote)



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Oct 30, 2017 07:49:40   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Szalajj wrote:
IMHO, this shot is over exposed, and the white balance has produced an odd yellow/green hue. There is little to no definition in the dirt in the foreground. You can never get the details back when you over expose.


Yes, he is spot metering the brightest part of the scene. The meter will try to put that into Zone 5, 18 percent gray. You then over expose to move that highlight up to say Zone 8 or 9, ETTR. With my camera I have profiled the metering to know that I can open up the exposure 2-2/3 stops and be very safe from blowing out any highlights using this method.

You can view videos Joe Brady made for Sekonic on shooting landscapes on YouTube to learn more about the techniques. The images will often not look good on the camera LCD, but nothing is blown and can be corrected in PP in a few steps.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 30, 2017 09:16:50   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"I usually shoot aperture or shutter. In shooting manual what do you use to set up your dslr. In the film days we used a gray card and light meter."

I am somewhat confused here. I am sure you meant Aperture and Shutter priority. When you use manual mode you are setting the camera to a shutter and aperture that the camera considers as a "correct" exposure based on the information from the exposure meter. I hope you understand that the correct exposure could be accurate if you are metering from a middle tonality but never if metering from a bright or dark object. The correct exposure in both of those cases comes when a correction is made to the meter reading. I am not talking about matrix, evaluative or multi pattern metering. All those are computerized metering modes that use in memory photographs and algorithms in camera to give the photographer the "correct" exposure. Unless looking at the histogram there is no way to know if the exposure is correct, specially using those sophisticated meters.
Nobody needs a gray card today to get a correct exposure. Meter from a middle tonality, often called 18% gray and you should be in the ballpark. It is not convenient to move around when photographing carrying a gray card. You can use "sunny 16" or you can meter from the palm of your hand. The palm of your hand reflects 36% of the light falling on it so simply open up one stop from the meter reading and you are once again in the ballpark. When metering from the palm of your hand use spot metering.
No need to carry a gray card with you at all times.

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Oct 30, 2017 09:23:36   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Szalajj wrote:
IMHO, this shot is over exposed, and the white balance has produced an odd yellow/green hue. There is little to no definition in the dirt in the foreground. You can never get the details back when you over expose.

There is a difference between overexposure and exposing to the right. The trick is to expose properly for the brightest area without blowing out any highlights.

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Oct 30, 2017 09:44:09   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
There is a difference between overexposure and exposing to the right. The trick is to expose properly for the brightest area without blowing out any highlights.


Exactly. From long experience with his camera, Bob is exposing to the right as far as possible (without blowing out the highlights) to get the maximum dynamic range out of his camera. He’ll pull it down in post processing.

Bob, show us the finished image after PP on this one, and it will be obvious.

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Oct 30, 2017 10:08:38   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
camerapapi wrote:
"I usually shoot aperture or shutter. In shooting manual what do you use to set up your dslr. In the film days we used a gray card and light meter."

I am somewhat confused here. I am sure you meant Aperture and Shutter priority. When you use manual mode you are setting the camera to a shutter and aperture that the camera considers as a "correct" exposure based on the information from the exposure meter. I hope you understand that the correct exposure could be accurate if you are metering from a middle tonality but never if metering from a bright or dark object. The correct exposure in both of those cases comes when a correction is made to the meter reading. I am not talking about matrix, evaluative or multi pattern metering. All those are computerized metering modes that use in memory photographs and algorithms in camera to give the photographer the "correct" exposure. Unless looking at the histogram there is no way to know if the exposure is correct, specially using those sophisticated meters.
Nobody needs a gray card today to get a correct exposure. Meter from a middle tonality, often called 18% gray and you should be in the ballpark. It is not convenient to move around when photographing carrying a gray card. You can use "sunny 16" or you can meter from the palm of your hand. The palm of your hand reflects 36% of the light falling on it so simply open up one stop from the meter reading and you are once again in the ballpark. When metering from the palm of your hand use spot metering.
No need to carry a gray card with you at all times.
"I usually shoot aperture or shutter. In shoo... (show quote)


Thank you, I did mean A or S priority. I use a D810 and have gotten very good photos in A or S mode but want to move over to M Priority. My question was not stated too well but you answered what I was attempting to ask. Thank you.

Rick

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Oct 30, 2017 10:14:28   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
RickL wrote:
I usually shoot aperature or shutter. In shooting manual what do you use to set up your dslr. In the film days we used a gray card and light meter


Rather depends on the subject and environment. Can you be more specific?

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Oct 30, 2017 10:45:18   #
idrabefi Loc: Michigan
 
My $0.02:

I've got this stupid concept in my head that manual is the only way to shoot. Typically I'll start with what I know (i.e., sunny 16, etc.). Then, I adjust to meet the situation. This usually works, but the cameras LCD and histogram don't always lead in the right direction. To resolve, I need to constantly remind myself to under- and over-expose. I've also used cards (white mainly), but limited to WB. Works great unless the light is constantly changing.

I've stood next to pros (those actually getting paid to shoot) and discussed. The pros shooting sports definitely did not shoot manual. Maybe some day after enough shooting I'll fully grasp which situations dictate the use of manual, aperture, or shutter priority.

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Oct 30, 2017 10:51:15   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
what difference does it make if he DOES blow out the highlights. there are times when you can go over a bit and be successful. after all if you blow them out it's not going to hurt anything. you delete it. I'm just saying this for the new people who are unfamiliar with these terms. to often they are left in the dark.




TriX wrote:
Exactly. From long experience with his camera, Bob is exposing to the right as far as possible (without blowing out the highlights) to get the maximum dynamic range out of his camera. He’ll pull it down in post processing.

Bob, show us the finished image after PP on this one, and it will be obvious.

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Oct 30, 2017 11:00:57   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
If there's a lot of action and you need to catch it you can't be bothered trying fiddle with your aperture and SS. So you pick the SS and let the camera pick the right Aperture for the shot. That's called shutter priority. If you are more worried about your depth of field (depth of focus) you need to control the aperture which determines it. That's aperture priority. many people like complete control when they have the time to make the shot and thus shoot in Manual. Does that make sense??



idrabefi wrote:
My $0.02:

I've got this stupid concept in my head that manual is the only way to shoot. Typically I'll start with what I know (i.e., sunny 16, etc.). Then, I adjust to meet the situation. This usually works, but the cameras LCD and histogram don't always lead in the right direction. To resolve, I need to constantly remind myself to under- and over-expose. I've also used cards (white mainly), but limited to WB. Works great unless the light is constantly changing.

I've stood next to pros (those actually getting paid to shoot) and discussed. The pros shooting sports definitely did not shoot manual. Maybe some day after enough shooting I'll fully grasp which situations dictate the use of manual, aperture, or shutter priority.
My $0.02: br br I've got this stupid concept in m... (show quote)

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Oct 30, 2017 11:06:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RickL wrote:
I usually shoot aperature or shutter. In shooting manual what do you use to set up your dslr. In the film days we used a gray card and light meter


I use an incident flash meter for studio work. But I also work with a Delta-1 gray card, a One Shot Digital Calibration Target, and an ExpoDisc. All of these can be used to achieve "normal" exposure if you measure the light falling on the subject. And all of them can and should be used to perform a CUSTOM white balance for in-camera JPEG processing or easier raw image post-processing.

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Oct 30, 2017 11:23:20   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
TriX wrote:
Exactly. From long experience with his camera, Bob is exposing to the right as far as possible (without blowing out the highlights) to get the maximum dynamic range out of his camera. He’ll pull it down in post processing.

Bob, show us the finished image after PP on this one, and it will be obvious.


It would be a mistake though to think that simply not blowing out your highlights means you're capturing all the detail, as is proven in this video by a better photographer than all of us.

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Oct 30, 2017 11:34:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
idrabefi wrote:
My $0.02:

I've got this stupid concept in my head that manual is the only way to shoot. Typically I'll start with what I know (i.e., sunny 16, etc.). Then, I adjust to meet the situation. This usually works, but the cameras LCD and histogram don't always lead in the right direction. To resolve, I need to constantly remind myself to under- and over-expose. I've also used cards (white mainly), but limited to WB. Works great unless the light is constantly changing.

I've stood next to pros (those actually getting paid to shoot) and discussed. The pros shooting sports definitely did not shoot manual. Maybe some day after enough shooting I'll fully grasp which situations dictate the use of manual, aperture, or shutter priority.
My $0.02: br br I've got this stupid concept in m... (show quote)


Here's a pro perspective:

Every mode on your camera has a definite, legitimate purpose. And every mode has real limits!

You have to understand that every scene has a light level that requires a certain exposure. Your metering technique must be good enough to balance sensitivity (ISO) with exposure time (Shutter Speed), and the volume of light flowing through the lens (Aperture). For a given scene and ISO setting, you need a given size "bucket of photons."

Your meter is dumb. Stupid. It wants to see EVERYTHING as middle gray. If you meter a white wall, and set exposure blindly for that, you will get gray. If you meter a wall painted flat black, and set exposure blindly for that, you will get gray. So in difficult conditions, use an exposure target and white balance tool such as a Delta-1 Gray Card, or ExpoDisc, or One Shot Digital Calibration Target.

Oh, there are various matrix metering modes designed to give you a great exposure of "most" scenes, but they can all be fooled under certain conditions.

Manual exposure modes work best under stable, controlled lighting conditions, where the scene brightness range is limited to around 5.5 f/stops. A great example of this is an office or school classroom lit with 2'x4' fluorescent troffers. Another great example is a portrait setup with fixed lighting, used to photograph hundreds of school children. Another great example is a light tent used for product photography of small items for a parts catalog.

Program mode works best when you need to work in changing lighting conditions. If your camera has Program Shift capability, you can change the combination of aperture and shutter with the flick of a dial. The exposure remains in balance, but the aperture closes down as you slow down the shutter, or the aperture opens up as you speed up the shutter.

Aperture Priority gives you a fixed aperture and lets the shutter speed float with the light level. This is so you have absolute control over depth of field.

Shutter Priority gives you a fixed shutter speed and an aperture that varies with the light level. This is so you can use a speed that stops or blurs action.

Manual Mode gives you fixed everything... ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed. This is so you can make a series of exposures that are all the same, provided the lighting is fixed!

There are many variations on these, of course, depending on your camera's features. If your camera has Auto ISO, it may be combined with other modes to really confuse things! (Just kidding. It's helpful, too.)

JUST as important as understanding the modes, is understanding light and its characteristics:

Scene brightness range (contrast range) (You need to control it or cope with it!)
Source specularity (pinpoint source vs. giant light tent, or hard shadows vs. no shadows)
Shadow edge acuteness control (specularity mixed with diffusion)
Specular highlight to diffuse highlight to shadow ratios (main to fill ratio)
White balance (dealing with off-color light sources)
Source color accuracy — continuous spectrum (Daylight and Incandescent) vs. discontinuous spectra (Fluorescent, Sodium Vapor, Mercury Vapor, Xenon flash tubes...)

JUST as important as all that is understanding your camera's JPEG processing limitations and raw image recording capabilities. There are legitimate times to exploit either or both raw AND JPEG workflows.

The point of all this? Read as much as you can about your camera and light and photography in general. Avoid the idiots who throw absolutes around like, "Never make JPEGs in your camera." or "Raw is a waste of time." or "Never use ______ mode." EVERYTHING on your camera has a purpose, or it would not be there. Learn its advantages and limitations.

Read the *Fine* Manual... even if it feels like water torture. Patience, grasshopper!

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Oct 30, 2017 11:39:01   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
RickL wrote:
I usually shoot aperature or shutter. In shooting manual what do you use to set up your dslr. In the film days we used a gray card and light meter


LOL. You get a Fuji. The EVF shows you exactly what the sensor is getting in terms of light. You spin the dials (shutter, ISO) and the aperture ring on the lens until the EVF looks right to you, then fire! Comes out right every time! That is why my Nikons are sitting in a drawer!

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