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Nikon D850 vs Used Nikon D810 and a nice lens?
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Oct 16, 2017 21:57:37   #
PhilP
 
Little need for mirrorless. The D810 and D850 have mirror lockup and more importantly electronic front shutter curtain.

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Oct 17, 2017 05:57:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


Welcome to our forum!

"About half the cost" sounds good. Try some comparisons sites and see if the differences are worth the money. Don't bid or buy until you have an accurate count of shutter actuations.

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Oct 17, 2017 07:28:45   #
GregWCIL Loc: Illinois
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


Sounds like you've set a limit on spending. That's a good idea since it forces you to prioritize. The D810 will produce stunning landscapes. I have the D800 and also the 16-35. You could also consider the 20mm f1.8, but the zoom is handier for framing and I even use it as a travel lens.

The D850 will be my next upgrade but more for its autofocus and frame rate abilities for wildlife. Also, I like the fact that it's controls are laid out identical to my D500.

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Oct 17, 2017 07:29:32   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


Excellent idea, the lens makes a BIG difference. I have the D810 and use the 16-35 for my landscape shots. It is a VERY GOOD combo.
NOTE: If you can wait 6 weeks there may be a bigger discount coming out on a new D810 for BLACK FRIDAY and SYBER MONDAY.

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Oct 17, 2017 08:03:28   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
selmslie wrote:
PS: Clyde Butcher is still around.


And he's an incredible landscape photographer. I visited his gallery on the Tamiami Trail a couple of years ago and was astounded by his photos taken in the Everglades and surrounding areas. He has started to use a digital DSLR according to a docent there, at least when a substantial hike is involved to get to a location (Clyde is not a young man). He uses a variety of view cameras up to 20X24.

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Oct 17, 2017 08:29:01   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


From your post I would conclude you don't have any Nikon lenses yet. If you don't and will be purchasing new lenses I would suggest you consider the full frame Pentax K-1 which is what I use for landscapes. I doubt there is a better DSLR for landscapes than this camera and it's substantially cheaper than the Nikons. It is said by some that there aren't enough lenses for it but there are many and excellent lenses that will take care of every landscape need are readily available (every Pentax lens ever made can be used on this camera and there are 25 million of those!). And don't give much weight to the DPR review of this camera, which was done not long after it was introduced and I would conclude they never thoroughly learned the camera. They listed 10 "cons" and all of them are either incorrect or irrelevant for landscape photography. The K-1 has a feature unique to Pentax called Pixel Shift Resolution that can increase the landscape image quality above that of other 36 mp sensors (the K-1 has the same Sony sensor as the D810 and the same DXO Mark rating as the 810 at 96).

A good review of the K-1:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/190-pentax-k-1/322475-pentax-k-1-depth-review.html

When I bought the K-1 last year I was changing brands and had to assemble a new lens kit but it was still a cost effective move. I have never regretted for one second buying this camera for landscape use.

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Oct 17, 2017 08:29:16   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


I’m kind of in the same situation as you. Would love a D850 but what else would you end up buying to go along with it?

D810’s will drop in price. Some D850 buyers will keep their D810 but many will sell them.

Time is on your side. Wait for a deal. That’s what I’m doing. Or if my ship comes in then I’ll buy the D850 with a wide f2.8 lens.

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Oct 17, 2017 08:50:15   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
PhilP wrote:
I disagree on both points. I want a huge DOF in many landscape shots. An infinity focus blurs out much of the foreground that I'm looking for in the finished shot.

There are times of the day/night when a high ISO is very useful to complete the shot.


Hyperfocal focusing and a smaller aperture. Just like we all did with film cameras. You present Camera is more than sufficient to deliver superb results.


(Download)

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Oct 17, 2017 08:59:57   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
Hyperfocal focusing and a smaller aperture. Just like we all did with film cameras. ....

It doesn't work with film either.

Best practice is to focus on whatever you want to be sharp and in focus. Then check the DOF to see how far it reaches. Don't go much smaller than your diffraction limit.

Any time you focus elsewhere (like the hyperfocal distance) you will not be able to enlarge and retain sharpness.

There is no way to tell whether the image you posted is actually sharp. It's too small.

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Oct 17, 2017 09:12:56   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


To answer your question. When the D810 came out it was rated as the top DSLR. It is still an excellent camera and will not need to be upgraded for a long time. I own one and am very pleased with it. I use it for action nature and some landscape. Buy a refurbished one from Cameta and some lenses to go with it. you will not be unhappy. There are a lot of deals for this camera now. No matter what you choose, have a good time and take a lot of photos.

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Oct 17, 2017 10:05:47   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
selmslie wrote:
PS: Clyde Butcher is still around.

Thank you for that P.S. Call me a hermit but I cannot recall seeing his work before. What an inspiration.

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Oct 17, 2017 10:13:26   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
selmslie wrote:
Stacking is useless for landscape. You are usually focused on infinity.



Why did you feel the need to hijack this thread and continue to direct personal attacks against anyone who provides sensible commentary to your illogical conclusion regarding focus stacking? As I see it, stacking can be a very useful technique for landscapes. In particular, it is not atypical for landscape compositions to be comprised of foreground objects at close range, a mid range subject and a far range background. For such compositions, it is only logical that sharper results can be obtained by combining multiple images of varying focus vs a single image at one focal distance.

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Oct 17, 2017 10:31:16   #
wolfman
 
markstjohn wrote:
I am a just beyond beginner photographer. I want to get better, especially at landscapes. I am wondering whether to get the best new Nikon, the D 850, so that it will be good for me for many years to come. Or to realize that the D810 is probably plenty of camera for me, and to buy a used version at about half the cost of the D850. Then I could use the money for a landscale lens like the 16-35mm. I am really vexed by this one. Thanks for any ideas.


For landscapes, the D810 and the 16-35 is a great combination. For what you want to do, the D850 is not necessary.


https://500px.com/gears/lenses/nikon/af-s-nikkor-16-35mm-f-4g-ed-vr

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Oct 17, 2017 10:40:28   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
rfcoakley wrote:
Why did you feel the need to hijack this thread ...

Hijacking? I did not bring up stacking. The OP wanted to decide between a "Nikon D850 vs Used Nikon D810 and a nice lens". What does stacking have to do with that?
rfcoakley wrote:
... As I see it, stacking can be a very useful technique for landscapes. In particular, it is not atypical for landscape compositions to be comprised of foreground objects at close range, a mid range subject and a far range background. For such compositions, it is only logical that sharper results can be obtained by combining multiple images of varying focus vs a single image at one focal distance.

Stacking with landscapes might seem logical but have you ever actually used it? Probably not and neither have the other two posters.

You may have read about it and concluded that it's a pretty slick idea but there are difficulties involved that will get in your way like subject movement and the need for some heavy post processing. It's not going to be as easy as falling off a log. It's probably harder to execute than HDR and you already know how difficult that is.

Stacking is a great help with macro and micro shots and it's certainly worth the effort.

But when it comes to landscapes, I suggest you give it a try and show us how it works out for you.

So that you don't contribute to perpetuating the hijacking of this thread, open your own. I also invite PhilP and Bill_de to do likewise since they are the ones who actually hijacked this thread to talk about stacking.

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Oct 17, 2017 10:50:24   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
PhilP wrote:
Little need for mirrorless. The D810 and D850 have mirror lockup and more importantly electronic front shutter curtain.


You also need to be open minded. Maybe “for you” there isn’t, but many wouldn’t go “back” to a mirrored camera. I can use my camera’s electric shutter handheld, no need for locking up a mirror and have the camera on a tripod.

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