Nikon D850 vs Used Nikon D810 and a nice lens? (Page 2): If you really think that I created a new ID for your benefit you have a very, very exaggerated view of your importance. You...

Bill_de Loc: US

selmslie wrote:

There is only one plane of focus. Everything clos... (show quote)

If you really think that I created a new ID for your benefit you have a very, very exaggerated view of your importance. You wouldn't be worth the effort.

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BTW - Thanks for the link. I see what the problem is ... it's your sub standard reading comprehension.

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bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.

810 is a great camera, 850 is getting really great reviews. an 810 with a good lens will do what you want and do it quite well.
so it all comes down to money, you wanna spend all that mponey for an 850 then go for it. If you cant afford it, the 810 will last you for years. Look for a referb, for a great deal.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Bill_de wrote:

If you really think that I created a new ID for your benefit you have a very, very exaggerated view of your importance. You wouldn't be worth the effort.

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Is learning about DOF from the link I gave you worth the effort?

You didn't use hyperfocal distance for your birds, insects and animals.

Come back when you have some experience with landscape photography.

PhilP

selmslie wrote:

There is only one plane of focus. Everything closer to or further from the camera becomes progressively less sharp until it becomes obvious at the DOF limits.

Congratulations! You finally figured out the reason to use stacking. As a photomacrographer and photomicographer, I started using stacking nearly 15 years ago. Shortly, I found how amazing the effect stacking does to landscape and architectural shots. It can create a nearly 3D effect even with an open aperture. Perhaps you should try it sometime. Maybe you'll even learn something.

There is still many, many reasons to use a higher ISO in poor lighting situations. To properly capture moving vehicles, people, etc., etc. I'll still take a higher ISO cam every time as long as the noise is also reduced. The D850 is that precisely.

PhilP

Bill_de wrote:

If you really think that I created a new ID for your benefit you have a very, very exaggerated view of your importance. You wouldn't be worth the effort.

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BTW - Thanks for the link. I see what the problem is ... it's your sub standard reading comprehension.

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DITTO!!

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

PhilP wrote:

Congratulations! You finally figured out the reas... (show quote)

Stacking is useful for macro and micro photography. Landscape photographers don't bother with it.

Daylight landscape photographers never use high ISO because it is not necessary. In broad daylight, 1/ISO at f/16 works fine.

But even f/16 is beyond the diffraction limit for small format work. The diffraction limit is lower, maybe f/11 or f/8, for high megapixel small format cameras.

I use f/32 or f/45 regularly - with sheet film and a view camera where I can extend the DOF by using tilts - never with a small format camera.

I normally use f/22 for medium format landscapes.

Come back when you have some more experience. You are both beyond your depth.

PhilP

selmslie wrote:

Stacking is useful for macro and micro photography. Landscape photographers don't bother with it.

Wow... I didn't know that. I guess other photographers don't either.

https://digital-photography-school.com/getting-landscapes-sharp-focus-stacking/

https://iso.500px.com/tutorial-focus-stacking-for-landscape-photography/

https://www.photolisticlife.com/2016/11/05/how-and-why-focus-stacking-landscape-photography/

http://www.alexwisephotography.net/blog/2017/03/12/landscape-photography-tip-shutter-stacking/

https://scottwyden.com/focus-stacking/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi2eM4fXN8w

https://www.capturelandscapes.com/ultimate-focus-stacking-guide/

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

PhilP wrote:

Wow... I didn't know that. I guess other photogr... (show quote)

Real landscape photographers use large format film. That’s something that neither of you know anything about.

Come back when you can demonstrate that you know anything about the subject.

That would include posting some examples of landscapes that you captured using focus stacking. Don’t have any? Then don’t talk nonsense.

markstjohn

thank you.. will explore this idea... I always love to have the "very best" but this time I am thinking that I could get a plenty good enough camera and then spend more money on lenses which it seems are more important and a better long term investment...

I thank everyone for their help on this one...

Bill_de Loc: US

selmslie wrote:

Real landscape photographers use large format film. That’s something that neither of you know anything about.

Come back when you can demonstrate that you know anything about the subject.

You haven't demonstrated anything except narrow-mindedness. Are all the tutorials the links above lead to done by make believe landscape photographers?

How about a list of the "Real" landscape photographers you know and some samples of your work since you profess to know all about it.

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selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Bill_de wrote:

You haven't demonstrated anything except narrow-mindedness. Are all the tutorials the links above lead to done by make believe landscape photographers?

How about a list of the "Real" landscape photographers you know and some samples of your work since you profess to know all about it.

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The list of real landscape photographers is well known to many of us, apparently not to you. You could start with Ansel Adams, Eliot Porter and Bret Weston and dozens of others. You can see my own modest contribution at my own web site.

Then you might want to visit the Large Format Landscapes thread (you will need to move forward a few pages to see the first images). It will be an eye opener for both of you. You will learn that focus stacking is just a work around to make up for the limitations of small format digital cameras.

Have you ever actually done any landscape? You don't seem to be speaking form experience or personal knowledge. Neither of you has posted a single landscape image that I am aware of.

Bill_de Loc: US

selmslie wrote:

The list of real landscape photographers is well k... (show quote)

I went to the link. On the first page the guy who had joined before any others and had the most posts said this:

"I fail to see any difference between landscapes taken with Large Format equipment, and anything else. It's just a lot more work with the camera, and somewhat less in the darkroom."

Your list was funny ---

"You could start with Ansel Adams and Bret Weston and dozens of others."

The are not doing too much these days. Anyone living on your list. I think focus stacking might have been a little difficult for them. That doesn't say they wouldn't embrace it today. They were forward thinking, you on the other hand won't recognize what is being done today.

Enjoy the dark ages ... I'm going back to the present, but this has been fun.

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selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Bill_de wrote:

I went to the link. On the first page the guy who had joined before any others and had the most posts said this:

"I fail to see any difference between landscapes taken with Large Format equipment, and anything else. It's just a lot more work with the camera, and somewhat less in the darkroom." ...

You might not see the difference on your PC screen. You will when it's printed or when you look at it in a museum.

Bill_de wrote:

Your list was funny ---

"You could start with Ansel Adams and Bret Weston and dozens of others."

The are not doing too much these days. Anyone living on your list. I think focus stacking might have been a little difficult for them. That doesn't say they wouldn't embrace it today. They were forward thinking, you on the other hand won't recognize what is being done today. ...

What is being done today, particularly by you, can't hold a candle to the stuff being done now in large format or even to the stuff that was done more than a century ago by people using old technology.

Photography did not begin in the digital age. When it comes to the final product, there is nothing new under the sun.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

PS: Clyde Butcher is still around.

cameraf4 Loc: Delaware

markstjohn, getting back to your original question, I use Nikon gear and I love it. But understand, while the D850 is a beast at 46mps, if history continues as it has, there will be a "better" Nikon to replace it in about 4 years. May be more MPs, may be mirrorless, may drive your car for you, who knows. I have a 12MP Nikon D700. Some of the best, most detailed landscapes I have ever taken were taken using it. I have a 36MP Nikon D800. The images DO have more detail, but you have to enlarge the images a huge amount to see the difference. Point is, at a time when the majority of Advanced Amateur" cameras are 24MP (or there about) and make fantastic images (like the D750), getting a 36MP D810/D800/D800E will give you a quality instrument that will serve you very well for years to come, and you will save some coin over a D850 (which is hard-as-hell to get right now, anyway). Whatever you decide, I know we all wish you well and welcome you to the group.