BHC wrote:
If you mean me, no. I’m not feeling inadequate. I’m just tired of rehashing this subject over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
If you mean me, no. I’m not feeling inadequate. ... (
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Then simply do not respond!
There is no doubt that Canon EOS cameras outperformed Nikon autofocus cameras for many years. This can largely be attributed to Canon designing a new mount (EF) specifically for autofocus, while Nikon chose to keep the “F” mount (circa 1959), and adapt it to the new technology. In the beginning (1987) Canon owners screamed loudly that they were being abandoned by Canon and that the thousands of dollars they had invested in FD glass was now obsolete. Nikon owners still to this day can still mount virtually any “F” mount lens to most digital bodies (with a few exceptions). The choice by Canon to develop a new mount is seen today as a wise decision as it provided the basis for superior AF performance for many years over their Nikon rivals. Hoardes of Nikon professionals jumped ship to Canon, including many well-known, Pulitzer Prize winners. The decision by the powers that be at Nikon to remain loyal to their owners, and their substantial investment in Nikkor glass, while admirable, certainly cost Nikon a large percentage of their customer base. It is only in the last decade or so that Nikon autofocus performance has caught-up with Canon, which is truly remarkable that they have been able to do so with a lens mount that is now nearly sixty years old.
Peterff wrote:
I think it's time to go and feed my horses...
At least charging the Tesla doesn't seem to bother them...
Which goes further? A bag in a hag or a charge in the towncar?
Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
SteveR wrote:
Which goes further? A bag in a hag or a charge in the towncar?
Well since I don't own either, I can't answer from any position of credibility, but the horse wouldn't do well on a gallon of gas or being plugged into a battery charger, and a bushel of oats wouldn't do too much for any kind of mechanical vehicle without some intermediate processing!
mrjcall wrote:
Not entirely sure 'fretting' is what we do keeping abreast of current and future tech.....😳 One can thoroughly enjoy their current gear to their hearts content, but I think it would be short sighted not to keep an eye on the pulse of the industry, eh? At some point in time, change is necessary to more adequately meet one's requirements.
We can keep abreast of new technology without whining about our favourite not getting the recognition we think it deserves, which is all this thread is about.
The choir is all shaking their heads vigorously in agreement ....
cjc2
Loc: Hellertown PA
Architect1776 wrote:
I hear many comments about this company is more innovative than the other.
I found this to be interesting about AF development as far as actual production consumer available AF cameras.
Minolta 1985 introduced their first AF camera
Nikon 1986 introduced their first AF camera
Pentax 1987 introduced their first AF camera
Canon 1987 introduced their first AF camera
Yet the only truly innovative camera of the bunch was Canon. The rest were just me too incremental and very primitive improvements of old antiquated systems and adaptations of worn out technology. Only the EOS was truly innovative and it has taken about 30 years for the rest to even begining to catch up with the innovations of the EOS system as a whole.
The point is Canon is slow, they observe and see what looks like it works or not.
They are derided for being behind right now. I think it might be interesting to see what comes out in the next couple of years.
Perhaps nothing or perhaps another leap leaving the competition behind for another 30 years. It just seems about right for something to happen.
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Golly Gee, Now I feel informed!
BHC
Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
whitewolfowner wrote:
I'm not sure, I may have miscounted, but I think you were one "and over" short. Can anyone else verify this?
I have no idea what that meant. Please clarify. Thank you.
Architect1776 wrote:
I hear many comments about this company is more innovative than the other.
I found this to be interesting about AF development as far as actual production consumer available AF cameras.
Minolta 1985 introduced their first AF camera
Nikon 1986 introduced their first AF camera
Pentax 1987 introduced their first AF camera
Canon 1987 introduced their first AF camera
Yet the only truly innovative camera of the bunch was Canon. The rest were just me too incremental and very primitive improvements of old antiquated systems and adaptations of worn out technology. Only the EOS was truly innovative and it has taken about 30 years for the rest to even begining to catch up with the innovations of the EOS system as a whole.
The point is Canon is slow, they observe and see what looks like it works or not.
They are derided for being behind right now. I think it might be interesting to see what comes out in the next couple of years.
Perhaps nothing or perhaps another leap leaving the competition behind for another 30 years. It just seems about right for something to happen.
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Unfortunately, innovation does not necessarily translate into commercial success, otherwise Polaroid would be at the top of the heap today.
BHC wrote:
I have no idea what that meant. Please clarify. Thank you.
You're the one that wrote it, not me. Maybe, you should clarify.
BHC
Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
whitewolfowner wrote:
You're the one that wrote it, not me. Maybe, you should clarify.
I’m sorry; I wasn’t thinking about the list. You’re right, my count may be off by a few “and over” (how in the H**l do you pluralize this?). I didn’t want to put in so many that Admin would delete the post. On the other hand, considering the history of this forum and the constant repetition of some subjects by people who can’t or won’t use the search feature, maybe I was a few hundred short.
I wouldn't worry about the Admin penalizing you for too many "and over". The only things the admin intervenes on is remarks that counter his agenda.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
Cheese wrote:
Unfortunately, innovation does not necessarily translate into commercial success, otherwise Polaroid would be at the top of the heap today.
Polaroid pictures were fast - but limited quality, limited flexibility {making 8x10 or a slide not straight-forward}, and limited lifetime.
Architect1776 wrote:
True, but there has really been no cutting edge transformative innovation in 30 years.
Cameras inside a telephone. Red camera bodies. WiFi. Thermal imaging that can look through clothing.
OddJobber wrote:
Cameras inside a telephone. Red camera bodies. WiFi. Thermal imaging that can look through clothing.
Incremental or taking something like a sensor and putting it in a difficult shaped body. Interesting but is it that innovative?
The Pentax penta prism was innovative and the Nikon F with the photomic head and TTL metering etc was incredible for innovation.
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