ILC Nearly Dead
Aug 17, 2017 21:45:38 #
10MPlayer wrote:
What's ILC? I've been around a while but I don't know the term.
Inter changeable Lenses - includes DSLRs and Mirrorless
Aug 17, 2017 22:15:59 #
[quote=rehess]All I have said is that my most recent iPhone falls way short of what I need, for example,
Despite all the marketing hype apple is no where near the top when it comes to came phones, although I respect there ability to innovate.
I started to answer each point but gave up. There are so many adjustments and features that are not available in a conventional camera, and I don't even have the latest android phone. Yes a DSLR has some advantages for now but with each iteration the gap narrows.
The main advantage of the smart phone camera it is easy and it does so many things easily that a DSLR is just struggling to include.
So don't sell it short. The sales numbers tell the story and that is the bottom line for the manufactures. I'm not ready to give up my Nikons but I have no delusions about future developments. Phone companies have a clear vision of what the markets want while camera companies provide the same-o-same-o with very minor tweaks.
As the dog said when the train ran over its tail...it won't be long now.
Despite all the marketing hype apple is no where near the top when it comes to came phones, although I respect there ability to innovate.
I started to answer each point but gave up. There are so many adjustments and features that are not available in a conventional camera, and I don't even have the latest android phone. Yes a DSLR has some advantages for now but with each iteration the gap narrows.
The main advantage of the smart phone camera it is easy and it does so many things easily that a DSLR is just struggling to include.
So don't sell it short. The sales numbers tell the story and that is the bottom line for the manufactures. I'm not ready to give up my Nikons but I have no delusions about future developments. Phone companies have a clear vision of what the markets want while camera companies provide the same-o-same-o with very minor tweaks.
As the dog said when the train ran over its tail...it won't be long now.
Aug 17, 2017 22:19:25 #
joer wrote:
Phone companies have a clear vision of what the markets want while camera companies provide the same-o-same-o-with very minor tweaks.
Right now phone companies have a clear vision of what they can sell to the masses - I'm not convinced they really notice us, nor is it clear that matters to them since we are a fairly small segment compared to their overall sales numbers.
Aug 17, 2017 22:33:12 #
Haydon wrote:
"One of those key differentiating factors has been the "pretty blurry background" effect that an interchangeable lens camera is capable of producing."
That pretty blurry background is not important when you can't make out the name tag on your buddy's shirt in that cellphone photo.
Aug 17, 2017 22:39:03 #
Aug 17, 2017 22:40:40 #
Aug 17, 2017 22:48:31 #
Peterff wrote:
OK. Why do you say that it would be a good thing?
It's good for 3 things.
1. Before they quit making them altogether there will be some big sales.
2. After they quit making them you can resell them for more money.
3. GAS will be cured.
Aug 17, 2017 23:13:26 #
n3eg wrote:
That pretty blurry background is not important when you can't make out the name tag on your buddy's shirt in that cellphone photo.
I suppose if name tags are important. To me most people I'd prefer to forget :)
Aug 18, 2017 05:25:11 #
joer wrote:
The smart phone killed the P/S and now the $500 ILC is about to do likewise. You will find the article at dpreview.
A steady climb up camera ladder. What's next.
A steady climb up camera ladder. What's next.
One advantage of a small camera is a small overall package. Adding a tel lens to a compact puts you back into "Big" territory. People decide what they want to buy: a small camera that will always be small, or a small camera that can accept a variety of lenses. Photographers will always more lenses, so the ILC is not dying.
Aug 18, 2017 05:59:08 #
10MPlayer wrote:
What's ILC? I've been around a while but I don't know the term.
Interchangeable Lens Camera
Aug 18, 2017 06:27:24 #
joer wrote:
The smart phone killed the P/S and now the $500 ILC is about to do likewise. You will find the article at dpreview.
A steady climb up camera ladder. What's next.
A steady climb up camera ladder. What's next.
I have a simple request. If you insist on using TLA's (three letter acronyms), please define them the first time you use them.
I'm retired now, but during my working days meetings were frustratingly full of TLA's and only a fraction of the attendees actually knew what was being said. Spell it out once so we know what you are saying. At least half of the people reading your post will appreciate it, I assure you.
Aug 18, 2017 07:08:16 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
joer wrote:
The smart phone killed the P/S and now the $500 ILC is about to do likewise. You will find the article at dpreview.
A steady climb up camera ladder. What's next.
A steady climb up camera ladder. What's next.
As long as I control the shot. I could care less.
Aug 18, 2017 07:48:34 #
machia
Loc: NJ
The camera in a smartphone is convenient . The smartphone has turned into an extremely useful tool . And it's photos are great for use in a limited format , that being display on small screens . For creative control and the ability to enlarge photographs beyond an 8X10 with clarity you need a " real camera " .
And if engineers ever figure out how to make a lens the size smaller than that of the pencil eraser perform like a piece of glass that costs hundreds , sometimes thousands of dollars , then more power to them . However I don't think its optically possible . Perhaps packing a large sensor in a smartphone with adaptable lenses could give the DSLR market some real completion , but I don't think it would kill off the DSLR , as DSLR manufacturers continue to incorporate features that people like in a smartphone like WiFi capability .
It's a two way street . It's also called competition .
And if engineers ever figure out how to make a lens the size smaller than that of the pencil eraser perform like a piece of glass that costs hundreds , sometimes thousands of dollars , then more power to them . However I don't think its optically possible . Perhaps packing a large sensor in a smartphone with adaptable lenses could give the DSLR market some real completion , but I don't think it would kill off the DSLR , as DSLR manufacturers continue to incorporate features that people like in a smartphone like WiFi capability .
It's a two way street . It's also called competition .
Aug 18, 2017 07:58:00 #
Everyone I know has a smartphone and takes pictures. None of them have any in depth knowledge of photography or even know about the hidden features of their camera. Its not that they are stupid; the phones come with no instructions, you have to experiment. Imagine how it would be if your new DSLR/ML came with no instructions.
I'm not saying that the camera phones can do all the things a modern DSLR/ML camera can; but the reverse is also true. If you have a Samsung go into the camera mode and swipe right for camera functions and left for image processing. If you haven't done this before you will be surprised at the number controls available.
As all of you know, the best camera is the one with you, if you know how to use it.
I'm not saying that the camera phones can do all the things a modern DSLR/ML camera can; but the reverse is also true. If you have a Samsung go into the camera mode and swipe right for camera functions and left for image processing. If you haven't done this before you will be surprised at the number controls available.
As all of you know, the best camera is the one with you, if you know how to use it.
Aug 18, 2017 08:13:21 #
Peterff wrote:
No. The market changes, and will still diminish for ILC cameras, but will find a a steady market equilibrium for serious photographers. <snip>
That's the point people often miss. The core market of ILCs for serious photographers has been pretty steady since before the introduction of digital. A lot of people jumped on the band wagon and now they are jumping off, but the serious photographers continue on unabated.
I also think that these temporary riders have allowed the industry to do some significant technological development that would not have been possible without their money in the market. After they leave, we will continue to benefit from their participation.
'sall good.
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