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Aug 6, 2017 09:53:49   #
lamontcranston
 
Haydon wrote:
Newer tech doesn't promise better pictures. In some situations, it might make an image easier to make. Just check out Elena's work using her aged 5DIII. She proves it's the photographer not the gear.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/75571860@N06/


No truer words were ever spoken. That woman is an artist.

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Aug 6, 2017 10:43:28   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
Haydon wrote:
Newer tech doesn't promise better pictures. In some situations, it might make an image easier to make. Just check out Elena's work using her aged 5DIII. She proves it's the photographer not the gear.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/75571860@N06/

Yes indeed - excellent work. The point is - you don't need a $15,000 Leica

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Aug 6, 2017 13:20:14   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Two topics already mentioned carry the most weight in my mind. First, when shooting wildlife the crop sensor 7DII will provide more reach. Even if you have some fine long range lenses that will work on the full frame camera, they will get you closer due to the crop factor on the 7D. However, there is another trade off in that it works quite the opposite for wide angle.

The other factor is the focus system. I've held off for quite some time in moving up to a 6D, because the focus system just didn't seem to be up to the rest of the camera's features. I was thrilled when they came out with the 6DII and it's improved focus system only to find out that the focus points are grouped too much to the center of the frame, which negates much of it's real advantage, at least for me.

There are still some compelling reasons to want a full frame camera! So, to try to directly answer for question, I'd definitely keep the 7DII and think about finding a good, used 5DIII. That way you would have the best of both worlds and a variety of options when shooting. Good luck and good shooting to all.
Two topics already mentioned carry the most weight... (show quote)


If you want the best of both worlds then save your money and buy a 1DXMKII. FF, 14 FPS and a low noise floor that will surprise you. I kept the 5DMKII as a back-up FF and have a 7 D and a 7DMKII. Read the reviews on the 6DII and look at the options between the 5DIII and the 6DII, example, the use of EC (exposure compensation). You might find it difficult to find someone close by with the 6DII because of being new but try and actually hold both in your hands and also if at a photo store take one of your memory cards so you can do more checking at home on your computer.

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Aug 6, 2017 13:21:33   #
thos Loc: Central Alabama
 
Her work also shows the importance of really good glass. She is using Canons 50mm 1.2, 85mm 1.2 and 135mm 2. Over $4,000.00 in three lenses.

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Aug 6, 2017 13:27:10   #
Haydon
 
thos wrote:
Her work also shows the importance of really good glass. She is using Canons 50mm 1.2, 85mm 1.2 and 135mm 2. Over $4,000.00 in three lenses.


That's very true but it also amounts to the artist seeing the light. I remember reading an article about her in a photog magazine and in her early stages she went as far as studying the effect of sunlight on leaves and the best angle to use to illustrate its luminance and which leaves were the most effective to use in a frame. She's a great artist because of her eye and her knowledge base.

I have nothing but L glass and use the exact same camera. I can't make images like her. Wish I could.

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Aug 6, 2017 13:35:19   #
thos Loc: Central Alabama
 
I absolutely agree with you, her work is beautiful. True art, in both light and composition.

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Aug 6, 2017 13:45:51   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
There's a lot of discussion about "reach" on this site. While I fully understand the discussion, I also have come to believe that reach can be largely a phantom feature. While I am a believer in composing the shot when shooting (especially now that zoom lenses are the norm), a simple reality is that if I capture a shot at 200mm on my 12 mp DX body, I have a 12 mp image. If I put the same lens on my D810, point it at exactly the same point, and shoot again, I can crop the resulting image to be identical to the first one, but now I have an 18 mp image with all of the dynamic range and other benefits of the full frame sensor. (If I use the camera's DX shooting option, my results are slightly different.) Of course with a different crop sensor camera the results would be different, but up to 18 mp I still have a resolution advantage, and I always have the dynamic range and image character advantage.

I have no plans to get rid of my DX bodies (still have a couple of DX lenses), but will use them primarily for casual shooting or when file size is a constraint or consideration.

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Aug 6, 2017 14:29:23   #
seniormomentnw Loc: Seattle
 
Several hhogs have mentioned the aging technology of the mkIII, but I have to say, when I am using mine, the camera does not know it is older tech, and it still takes great photos. Add to that, the price for a mkIII has dropped significantly. My mkIII is much more capable than I am, for sure.

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Aug 6, 2017 15:08:31   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
senoirmomentnw wrote:
Several hhogs have mentioned the aging technology of the mkIII, but I have to say, when I am using mine, the camera does not know it is older tech, and it still takes great photos. Add to that, the price for a mkIII has dropped significantly. My mkIII is much more capable than I am, for sure.


Exactly. It's not like the Canon 5d3 is a piece of crap. :). Love Elena's stuff too though. She's a master at all aspects, from capture to finish.

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Aug 6, 2017 17:01:59   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Two topics already mentioned carry the most weight in my mind. First, when shooting wildlife the crop sensor 7DII will provide more reach. Even if you have some fine long range lenses that will work on the full frame camera, they will get you closer due to the crop factor on the 7D. However, there is another trade off in that it works quite the opposite for wide angle.

The other factor is the focus system. I've held off for quite some time in moving up to a 6D, because the focus system just didn't seem to be up to the rest of the camera's features. I was thrilled when they came out with the 6DII and it's improved focus system only to find out that the focus points are grouped too much to the center of the frame, which negates much of it's real advantage, at least for me.

There are still some compelling reasons to want a full frame camera! So, to try to directly answer for question, I'd definitely keep the 7DII and think about finding a good, used 5DIII. That way you would have the best of both worlds and a variety of options when shooting. Good luck and good shooting to all.
Two topics already mentioned carry the most weight... (show quote)

I understand that when you look through a crop sensor viewfinder, it looks like you get more reach. But you don't. The crop sensor just does the cropping in the camera whether you want it or not. The image size is the same coming from the same lens. With full frame, you can always decide to crop in post if you want to. As for focusing, I don't like trusting any camera to read my mind and decide which of the 64 focus points I want as exact focus in my final image. I prefer to use one focus point to make sure I get the focus exactly where I want it, not where my camera decides it should be. Again, it's personal preference. I'm sure my preference comes from years of manual everything film cameras.

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Aug 6, 2017 18:02:36   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
AlfredU wrote:
I understand that when you look through a crop sensor viewfinder, it looks like you get more reach. But you don't. The crop sensor just does the cropping in the camera whether you want it or not. The image size is the same coming from the same lens. With full frame, you can always decide to crop in post if you want to. As for focusing, I don't like trusting any camera to read my mind and decide which of the 64 focus points I want as exact focus in my final image. I prefer to use one focus point to make sure I get the focus exactly where I want it, not where my camera decides it should be. Again, it's personal preference. I'm sure my preference comes from years of manual everything film cameras.
I understand that when you look through a crop sen... (show quote)


I don't fully agree with what you say about a crop vs a FF camera. You say that the crop camera does the cropping in the camera whether you want it or not, why would you buy a crop body if you didn't want the crop factor? Lets take the 7DMKII at 20.9 megapixels and the 1DXMKII at 20.2 megapixels. If you shot an image on the 7D with a 300mm lens and then shot the same image with the same 300mm lens from the same place with the 1DX the image on the crop (7D) is surely larger then what you see on the FF (1DX). Now if you crop the full size to have the same image size as the 7D, which image will leave you with more pixels to work with and there is more. Take a 600mmf/2.8 lens on a canon 1.6 crop body and you have a view of 960mm at f/2.8. Now on a canon FF with the same lens to come close you'll need a 1.4 converter to get you to 840mmf/4.0 but now you have lost 1 full stop. I do agree that 300mm will give you the same size image but there are many factors to consider. I do agree 100% about your remarks as to focusing and also prefer one spot or at times spot focusing. All of what I say is just my own opinion

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Aug 6, 2017 19:36:12   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
47greyfox wrote:
Absolutely, stunning stuff!! Thanks for the link....


I second that Emotion!

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Aug 6, 2017 20:56:14   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
RRS wrote:
I don't fully agree with what you say about a crop vs a FF camera. You say that the crop camera does the cropping in the camera whether you want it or not, why would you buy a crop body if you didn't want the crop factor? Lets take the 7DMKII at 20.9 megapixels and the 1DXMKII at 20.2 megapixels. If you shot an image on the 7D with a 300mm lens and then shot the same image with the same 300mm lens from the same place with the 1DX the image on the crop (7D) is surely larger then what you see on the FF (1DX). Now if you crop the full size to have the same image size as the 7D, which image will leave you with more pixels to work with and there is more. Take a 600mmf/2.8 lens on a canon 1.6 crop body and you have a view of 960mm at f/2.8. Now on a canon FF with the same lens to come close you'll need a 1.4 converter to get you to 840mmf/4.0 but now you have lost 1 full stop. I do agree that 300mm will give you the same size image but there are many factors to consider. I do agree 100% about your remarks as to focusing and also prefer one spot or at times spot focusing. All of what I say is just my own opinion
I don't fully agree with what you say about a crop... (show quote)


Why do you think they call it a crop sensor? The smaller sensor crops the image from how it would appear on a larger or full frame sensor.

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Aug 6, 2017 22:48:42   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
AlfredU wrote:
Why do you think they call it a crop sensor? The smaller sensor crops the image from how it would appear on a larger or full frame sensor.


So did you read the rest of my post. Which camera then give you more to work with pixel wise. I love the low noise of FF but for wildlife and more bang for the buck it's hard to beat a crop body when the sensors of both are equal in pixels. As I said, just my thoughts, and I do know why they call it a crop sensor, thanks for asking.

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Aug 7, 2017 10:10:32   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
RRS wrote:
So did you read the rest of my post. Which camera then give you more to work with pixel wise. I love the low noise of FF but for wildlife and more bang for the buck it's hard to beat a crop body when the sensors of both are equal in pixels. As I said, just my thoughts, and I do know why they call it a crop sensor, thanks for asking.

The crop sensor thing is difficult to grasp. I teach photography and this is one of the more difficult concepts to get across. If you are interested, I recommend you do some research on Google. The lenses that are designed cover a full frame sensor create a circle that is about 35mm in diameter. If you use that same lens, it to cover a sensor that is smaller the sensor essentially crops the image which can also be interpreted as equivalent to a longer focal length. But the size of the image created by the lens stays the same. I hope this helps. And now you know why I'm the one of the people who is always recommending classes in photography.

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