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Jun 28, 2012 10:10:58   #
skidooman Loc: Minnesota
 
MWAC wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
MWAC, I looked thru all the messages you received back, and there are a few people looking down at you for what you've done, or how you've done it. I would suggest that from now on, you check with them first , before you photo any more. Make sure you get their okay , and most important, their instructions . In fact, have them talk to the folks first, so you don't mess that up too. We know their your friends your shooting, but these people are "the know all to end all."


Lancer thank you for your kind words. I don't know what I was thinking, I was hoping people would understand my frustation and give me a kind word or two. Maybe even offer advise on how to reply to the text, not beat me down and make me question why I even post here in the first place.

Actually I shouldn't be surprised at all, should I?
quote=Lancer W/A Canon MWAC, I looked thru all th... (show quote)


Not really, it's easy to be a faceless, nameless bully.

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Jun 28, 2012 10:13:04   #
stevenelson Loc: Pauls Valley, Oklahoma
 
I sure hope you don't go off on your husband like that. I can say you asked for it since you already had trouble with the same person. You can't be taught.

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Jun 28, 2012 10:18:42   #
MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy
 
stevenelson wrote:
I sure hope you don't go off on your husband like that. I can say you asked for it since you already had trouble with the same person. You can't be taught.


?????

go off on my husband like what? Really I'm now getting marriage advice?

Ya I'm a fool, I try and be nice to everyone, much like how I get treated here on UHH time and time again, yet I keep coming back. Maybe it's time to listen to some of the UHH members advice and close up shop here and move on.

sigh.....

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Jun 28, 2012 10:21:30   #
GrandmaJoy Loc: North Carolina
 
Orville H. Brettman wrote:
Forty dollars? Seriously this is destroying the profession.


I believe Orville meant that you are not charging enough for all of your hard work. Read between the lines; he is giving you a compliment for all the work you did for such a meager price.

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Jun 28, 2012 10:29:13   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
There are always people who will take advantage of kindness...I give horse riding lessons...and charge $45 an hour because I provide the horses and tack...but some people try to stretch it into an hour and a half..."she needs to work a little more on that post"...and some people put an extra $20 in the check...and some dont...for those who dont I set a kitchen timer in the barn.

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Jun 28, 2012 10:35:27   #
SoHillGuy Loc: Washington
 
I hope everybody feels better after the Venting.

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Jun 28, 2012 10:35:53   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Just email her back with your PayPal information request $80 for rush job or $40 next week.

MWAC wrote:
twindad wrote:


Forty dollars?! You are seriously underpricing your work. Neighbor or not, for your time and effort you should be charging five times that much, especially when you figure the stress she's putting on you.



I normally don't even charge, I do it for free. But this is the 3rd set of pictures I have taken for this neigbhbour in the last 6 months. She was starting to take advantage of my good nature.

I haven't answered her text message, I need to breath a few times and get to my happy place before I do.
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Jun 28, 2012 10:36:50   #
DADDYDAVE Loc: SANTA FE, NM
 
MWAC, Take a look at the number of responses that you've had here at UH on this topic... Now I might be a newbie, but the overwhelming majority of the responses have shown empathy and support for you and your frustration. The reason for this is respect! These members know you, have learned with you and simply respect you very much. Don't even think about running and hiding over this, consider the sources of the negative input, but better yet think of how much "we" (you, I and all of our UH members) would lose if you let this learning experience beat you! As for marriage counseling, none of us would ever qualify! ha-ha!

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Jun 28, 2012 10:46:18   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
MWAC wrote:
twindad wrote:


Forty dollars?! You are seriously underpricing your work. Neighbor or not, for your time and effort you should be charging five times that much, especially when you figure the stress she's putting on you.



I normally don't even charge, I do it for free. But this is the 3rd set of pictures I have taken for this neigbhbour in the last 6 months. She was starting to take advantage of my good nature.

I haven't answered her text message, I need to breath a few times and get to my happy place before I do.
quote=twindad br br Forty dollars?! You are ser... (show quote)


I would collect the $40, give her a disk of unedited photos and then let her know what the FINAL versions will cost, AND that the images will all be 'watermarked' so that you get your proper credit when she trys to post them. Oh, make sure the un-edited versions have a big PROOF printed across them!!

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Jun 28, 2012 10:47:00   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
MWAC wrote:
I haven't answered her text message, I need to breath a few times and get to my happy place before I do.


That was "breathe a few times," not "down a few drinks," wasn't it?

ngc1514 wrote:
If I wanted to work or needed the money I would still be working for AT&T making far more $$$ than probably 99% of those trying to earn a living with a camera. Plus paid vacations, benefits and no need to put up with the hassles MWAC talks about.


And I'm sure you NEVER had any aggravation while working at AT&T. I'm surprised you weren't paying them for the privilege of working there!

;) ;)

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Jun 28, 2012 10:51:49   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
MWAC wrote:
in short, I am not killing the profession of photography. People that market themselves as professionals and turn out poop work (no matter what they charge) are killing the profession of photography. (example: http://youarenotaphotographer.com/ )


Thank you for posting this link. I spent far too much time looking at the "photos" but it was like watching a train wreck, I just couldn't look away. I am amazed that people are willing to put their names on some of these. One thing I did notice though is that in many (if not the majority) of the cases, the real damage was done in post processing. Don't people ever look at the "before" and "after" image and ask themselves a simple question, "Does it look better now than it did originally?"

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Jun 28, 2012 10:52:21   #
littlebug Loc: woburn ma
 
dealing with people is not easy I see how people treat the young kids at the burger king some people are *&^%$#

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Jun 28, 2012 10:53:53   #
Deewheat
 
Oh, my eyes!!!! I bookmarked that site to go back to later.....I am going to need a LOT more coffee before going past the first page!

As for your neighbor, I realize I'm a grumpy old woman, but if it were me I just might have a computer glitch and lose her images. Since she hasn't paid you, even for the cake, I'd say you owe her nothing.


MWAC wrote:
Orville H. Brettman wrote:
Forty dollars? Seriously this is destroying the profession.


I'm destroying the profession of photograhy? Care to explain that to me?

* Telling one neighbour that I'm going to charge her $40 because I need to recover the cost of the cake, cd and my time isn't destorying the profession of photography.
* Building myself a portfolio incase I decided to hang a shingle isn't destorying the profession of photography (model releases have been signed) and using a reduced rate while I do so, isn't killing the profession of photography.
* Going rate for a photographer in my area is $50 for a session with 35 images on a CD (I live in a rural area just north of DFW), there are 2 professional photographers in our town, one charges $50 and the other charges less. Charging $40 for my area isn't killing the profession of photography, but I can tell you if and when I decieded to hang a shingle and take on clients, my session fee will be far from $40 as my work is miles a head of the two professionals in town.
* I don't market myself as a professional or even for hire, I currenlty only do "sessions" for friends as favours. Normally I don't even charge. Doing sessions for friends is far from killing the profession of photography.

so in short, I am not killing the profession of photography. People that market themselves as professionals and turn out poop work (no matter what they charge) are killing the profession of photography. (example: http://youarenotaphotographer.com/ )
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Jun 28, 2012 10:54:26   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Flash Falasca wrote:
don't move to central Florida ,most folks here would kill for $20 an hour ! did I say (Folks)?


Would that be under the "Stand your ground doctrine?" (Sorry, folks, I couldn't resist. It's been that kind of a week. ;) )

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Jun 28, 2012 10:54:38   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Orville H. Brettman wrote:
MWAC:

I'm very sorry if my comments on pricing your work below minimum wage rates has upset you. I was in no way seeking to comment on the quality of the photographs you produce. My comment was simply meant to point out that $40 for two hours work is not a living wage, and that anytime someone is offered services at that rate it deprives those who are attempting to make a living by providing the same services from providing themselves with that living. Here's my argument in a nutshell. Most really successful businesses run at a net profit (that's what you get to keep to eat on after all expenses are deducted) of somewhere between 8-20 percent. So to make the math easy lets say your costs are low and you're making 20% net. That leaves You making $2 an hour net. In an 8 hour day that's a grand total of $16. Let's assume you're three times as good as most successful businesses. Then you're making $48/day. This assumes your so jammed packed with work that you are snapping away 8 hours a day. I'm sure you can see where this is going. it's just not a living wage.
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For the "customer" or neighbor in question, they wouldn't pay the pricing structure that you are 'suggesting' so they wouldn't have any record other than snapshots. THAT is why there are so many "unprofessional" photographers getting their work out there!!
MWAC is at least trying to give them quality work, but unfortunately is letting herself be taken advantage of. Give the mom a disc of PROOFS with a big "PROOF" mark across the pics AFTER getting paid!

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