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May 12, 2017 10:34:58   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
duane klipping wrote:
Everyone is loving the big hard drives but then you have all your eggs in one basket which is not good. All electronic devices will fail in time. I burn mine to discs which are good for a century last I knew. Plus if one fails I am only out a couple hundred files not everything I ever took.

SD cards also fail and I have had 2 128 do so. Blue Ray is another way to get more on a disc.


At least those big hard drives hold all the eggs. Three of them do it three times, in case one fails. Optical media is least reliable.

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May 12, 2017 10:41:23   #
Ricinus Loc: Leduc Alberta
 
James56 wrote:
M-Disc...they'll last a Millennium, approved for use by the DoD for backup and will outlast even the best Mechanical Hard Drive backup systems.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2933478/storage/m-disc-optical-media-reviewed-your-data-good-for-a-thousand-years.html


This is the way I've been leaning instead of HD's..

Mike

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May 12, 2017 11:07:32   #
JonClayton Loc: Central Florida
 
As Duane states all mechanical or SSD storage can fail. I am the Director of It for a large Agricultural company and we back up to multiple types of storage D2D, Tape, CD and Offsite Cloud based systems. If you have limited availability to the "Cloud" then your best bet is a NAS system with at least RAID 5 capability that way if one drive fails it can rebuild on to the new drive. But do not put all of your hope on that because the device itself can also fail and then you are SOL. Backup to multiple devices or media for the best protection.

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May 12, 2017 11:24:49   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
brucewells wrote:
At least those big hard drives hold all the eggs. Three of them do it three times, in case one fails. Optical media is least reliable.


Technically (according to those that certify backup systems for large corporations) CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray discs are NOT considered acceptable backups for insurance purposes. The issues are sensibility to light, scratches, sensibility to temperature fluctuations and long term reliability of data. I have a very large collection of DVD/Blu-Ray movies and some of my oldest are starting to show some degradation of the movie quality. Now, this result may be two fold, 1. from age because of the time that the disc has sat in it's case (only being used in a player occasionally). And 2, because the early versions of the movie discs may not have the quality of manufacture that the later versions have. Disc backup to optical disc still is not considered archival by most industry standards.
Having said that, I do use DVD/Blu-ray for some short term backups or to send data/images to clients. I mainly use the discs for clients because I can send them registered mail/UPS/FedEx and get signed receipts of delivery.
While I use 4tb USB3 drives for my backup because of the speed plus I am able to mitigate possible failure due to mechanical failure and also since the off site (safe deposit) is no more than 5 days old and third tier of the system, protected from fire and weather, I am in pretty good shape. If someone breaks in and steals a backup, then I still have the secondary (garage) and 3rd backup (bank) to fall back on. Keeping a drive in the car creates other issues as the car is subject to extreme cold and heat plus the chance of burglary and/or damage in an accident. I realize that I am going to extremes but the data represents my business as well as memories.
I'm not willing to subject that data to chance. But, keep in mind that my safe deposit box is a free product of my checking/savings account at my bank so I am making use of it. If it was an added charge then I might look at other solutions.

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May 12, 2017 12:03:28   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
Gleep715 wrote:
As my collection of digital photos grows I am trying to figure out sort of backups I need. I live in an area where reliable broadband is not available so cloud backup is not an option for me (uploading 16 jpgs for printing earlier today took about 25 minutes). I am planning on an off-site backup scheme where I keep one complete set of my photos at a secure location. I will then keep a daily incremental backup of the photos on my computer and swap it out with the one at the secure location every week. What I am trying to decide on is what media is the best for storing the files. At the moment I am leaning towards flash memory (either solid state drives or memory cards from reliable manufacturers). Even though the expected life spans vary wildly the articles I have used for my research generally agree that this type of media has the longest life time.

I welcome any thoughts you might have on the subject.
As my collection of digital photos grows I am tryi... (show quote)

The ones you really care about need to be printed. Whatever you store them on now might not be readable 50-100 years from now.

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May 12, 2017 12:05:13   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
duane klipping wrote:
... All electronic devices will fail in time. I burn mine to discs which are good for a century last I knew...


If you're talking about CD/DVD disks, forget about that century. The ones that are mass produced by pressing the disks may last a significant amount of time but the ones you burn at home are not the same. They have an organic material that a laser burns holes in. In time that organic material degrades and the disk becomes unreadable. There are varying grades of that kind of disk and the ones from the low bidder are probably the worst. I've had some of them become unreadable in three years.

James56 wrote:
M-Disc...they'll last a Millennium, approved for use by the DoD for backup and will outlast even the best Mechanical Hard Drive backup systems.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2933478/storage/m-disc-optical-media-reviewed-your-data-good-for-a-thousand-years.html


I am very skeptical of that thousand years. They may well last significantly longer than the old CD/DVDs but (1) that technology has only been around for a few years so the thousand year estimate is a very large extrapolation; (2) At the rate technology changes that system may be obsolete in as little as 25 years; (3) Who is going to look at your images a thousand years from now?

Since technology changes quickly (and at an accelerating rate) any archiving of data requires maintenance to be viable. Suppose you stored a lot of valuable data 50 years ago on the best available medium. How would you read it today? Where would you get an 8" floppy disk reader, a 7 track tape machine, or maybe something like a wire recorder (OK, that's older than 50 years)? If you have valuable data you don't want something that will last a thousand years. It will give you a false sense of security. You will have to copy (and verify) the data to newer technology media every decade or two.

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May 12, 2017 12:05:19   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Gleep715 wrote:
As my collection of digital photos grows I am trying to figure out sort of backups I need. I live in an area where reliable broadband is not available so cloud backup is not an option for me (uploading 16 jpgs for printing earlier today took about 25 minutes). I am planning on an off-site backup scheme where I keep one complete set of my photos at a secure location. I will then keep a daily incremental backup of the photos on my computer and swap it out with the one at the secure location every week. What I am trying to decide on is what media is the best for storing the files. At the moment I am leaning towards flash memory (either solid state drives or memory cards from reliable manufacturers). Even though the expected life spans vary wildly the articles I have used for my research generally agree that this type of media has the longest life time.

I welcome any thoughts you might have on the subject.
As my collection of digital photos grows I am tryi... (show quote)


An EZ-Dock or two hot swappable disk docks and multiple hard drives to rotate and a system to carry one copy off-site. EZ-Dock = https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-EZ-Dock-2-5-Inch-3-5-Inch-EZD-2535U3/dp/B00JKM0KUE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1494604793&sr=8-7&keywords=ez+dock+3

or https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-2-5-Inch-3-5-Inch-Clone-EZD-2537U3/dp/B00N1QL9K0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494604793&sr=8-1&keywords=ez+dock+3

or https://www.amazon.com/ICY-DOCK-eSATA-External-Enclosure/dp/B01GUDXXN6/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1494604793&sr=8-17&keywords=ez+dock+3

or some other manufacturer's offerings also available at Amazon in this lineup, not all of which are for hard drives:

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_7?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ez+dock+3&sprefix=ez+dock%2Caps%2C246&crid=36WM4CRCIO0I3

EDIT: You can turn the docks off and remove the hard drives when not in use backing up and hence minimize the spinning of the drive which accelerates the incidence of failure from wear and tear and therefore extend the life of the drives.

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May 12, 2017 12:16:34   #
Mike1017
 
Western Digital 3 tb no problem I have 6 external drives and you have total control no 3 party. Mike

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May 12, 2017 12:55:17   #
jefren Loc: Montgomery, Alabama
 
I have two external hard drives - one connected to the computer for backups, and one in a safety deposit box at the bank. I swap them monthly.

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May 12, 2017 15:04:32   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
freddusel wrote:
My solution to this problem is to never re-use a card. I use 128 GB cards because I do a lot of focus stacking which requires up to 35 incremental images of a given subject. Once a card is full, I retire it to my safe deposit box. I only keep my finished images on my computer respecting digital images. My film scans are all kept in a separate file as scanned and spotted at 100%. I also transfer these files to cards for storage. Once I start to convert them into digital negatives for carbon transfer prints, I move them so the original scans are not corrupted. I am not aware of any time limitations on SDHC cards. If they deteriorate over time in storage, my plan is not very sound.
Best, Fred
My solution to this problem is to never re-use a c... (show quote)


With due respect, another reason your plan is not very sound is that you have but one set of copies of all those files. A real backup plan includes multiple copies with one set held off site, so a catastrophe at home will at least leave you with the last set of updated files stored at your office or at the safety deposit box at a bank or at your cousin's place, or wherever. Just sayin'

And @Dave327, evidently you are unfamiliar with the concept of Satellite Internet service providers - this involves a satellite dish on your roof (much like Dish or DirecTV) and has nothing to do with land line broadband. Not that I would call your comment stupid for that gaffe.

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May 12, 2017 18:23:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jackm1943 wrote:

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Whatever you store them on now might not be readable 50-100 years from now.


That would be true if you (or your successors) don't migrate to the newer technology at each step along the way.

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May 12, 2017 19:47:35   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
Longshadow wrote:
That would be true if you (or your successors) don't migrate to the newer technology at each step along the way.

That's exactly my point. If you want future generations, maybe great, great, great grandkids, to see your images, they better be printed archivally.

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May 12, 2017 21:01:15   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
f8lee wrote:

<<And @Dave327, evidently you are unfamiliar with the concept of Satellite Internet service providers - this involves a satellite dish on your roof (much like Dish or DirecTV) and has nothing to do with land line broadband. Not that I would call your comment stupid for that gaffe.>>

It appears you have confused the posters on this subject f8lee. Dave327 posted that the OP could use the Hughes Net satellite system. Winterrose responded to that post, calling it "stupid." So it's winterrose, not Dave327, who apparently isn't familiar with satellite internet and made an inappropriate reply.

For an old timer like me the internet can be a strange thing at times. Here I am defending someone whom I have never met and know absolutely nothing about! I'm not sure it that's a good or bad thing. ;o)

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May 12, 2017 21:02:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jackm1943 wrote:
That's exactly my point. If you want future generations, maybe great, great, great grandkids, to see your images, they better be printed archivally.


Hundreds and hundreds of prints? I would hope my successor(s) keep the files and migrate them...

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May 12, 2017 22:37:51   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
kd7eir wrote:
winterrose -

Unless the OP lives in a cave with absolutely no view of the sky, HughesNet IS available anywhere in the USA - it's satellite. Thanks for wasting millions of electrons on your uncontrollable desire to prove your ignorance and attack someone rather than add to the discussion.


I do apologize. I was, however with the understanding that the OP was sufficiently astute to have investigated all available options including HughesNet before asking.

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