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May 2, 2017 12:20:26   #
Tracht3
 
Best answer. Shoot whatever your priority is. Your subject and your purpose is your correct answer. Everyone is correct but not always considering the creative importance of the photographer in different situations. Hopefully, this answer offends no one and satisfies everyone. We know the rules now break um. LOL

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May 2, 2017 12:47:22   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
canon Lee wrote:
I know theres many ways to shoot outdoors, but would like to know how many shoot manual or aperture. I use Manual out doors. I set my camera to bracket 3 shots.

Full manual (auto nothing) in full sun or partly cloudy conditions. See Sunny 16 Rule - Part 2. I have posted several other examples,

If I am shooting in the shade I add a stop or two of exposure and watch for blinkies.

By shooting full manual I remove the camera's meter from the process. There are too many ways that it can mess up like very dark or very light backgrounds or subjects.

If you stick to relatively low ISO settings there is usually plenty of DR to bring up any shadows you might want without making noise visible.

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May 2, 2017 12:53:13   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Peterff wrote:
Very well said!

Perhaps we should be asking how many photographers are actually smarter than their cameras?

I would hope that most of us are smarter. We have judgement, the camera does not.

What we are not is faster.

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May 2, 2017 12:55:26   #
canon Lee
 
advocate1982 wrote:
I would say anybody that has bought into the urban myth that manual is somehow magical and gives you more control. That is a line that started only in the digital age, and my guess is that it came from those that discovered that there is great money to be made in teaching photography to those that know less than they do. The mode that you use is irrelevant, as somebody has already pointed out - if all you do is go with what the meter says - then you may as well be shooting in program or full auto.

I started as some others here with view cameras, hand held spot meters, and Ansel Adams zone exposure system, and was photographing in manual for a full 20 years before Canon introduced the AE-1. So I do know how to use manual exposure, and push/pull exposure and development to bring out the tones in a black and white sheet film negative. But that was your starting point - and from there the rest was done in the darkroom. But the process translates poorly to roll film, and while I can see the potential for applying it to digital, I don't believe that most that use manual are talking about that level of control.

What is important to know, isn't what mode to use, but how camera meters work in general and more specifically how the meter in your camera works because every single camera is just a little different. I don't mean between brands or models, I mean between the exact same brand and model. For example my D300 consistently over exposures by 1/3 stop when compared to my d200. But I can go to the menu and put in a permanent override on that bias. Back in the day of film, we would buy film in large batches so we could take and test the response of that batch of film and then apply that compensation to every roll or sheet of film in that batch. Now there was no exposure compensation adjustment on the camera or the meter, so you just changed the ASA setting that you used for the batch of film. The box might say it was 100 ASA but after testing you would decide that 80 ASA was a better setting, or you might decide that 125 ASA was a better match. So that is what you would set your meter to for that batch of film.

In todays cameras - they are really more like powerful computers - and just like a computer, they are faster and more accurate in determining a proper exposure, because they have a database of lighting patterns that are programed into the meter, so not only do they meter the light, but they evaluate the entire lighting pattern against that library. You don't get that comparison happening in the manual settings. So you need years of experience under all sorts of lighting conditions to make that same comparison and come to an educated guess as to what would be a better exposure. But in the time that you are doing that - the light has changed, the subject has moved, or a whole world of other conditions that can effect exposure has happened, and you miss the shot. On top of which - today's cameras are just not designed for manual metering. Yes it's there, but take a look through an old film camera and see how bright and full that viewfinder is - and how easy it is to see the meter. Today's digital cameras - viewfinders are dim even with the fastest lens, and the settings are not easy to see or to read.

I am not a fan of shutter priority, especially with slower lens, because it does lead to an awful lot of underexposed images because many have a habit of setting the shutter speed too high for the light conditions.

I do prefer aperture priority because you want a fast shutter speed just open you lens as wide as it will go, and if that isn't fast enough then up the ISO. If you want depth of field, just close your lens down to where you want it. If I am photographing people, then I set +1 exposure compensation and meter on the face in spot metering mode. Which is also my preferred setting. Unless I am in the studio with studio strobes, you will find my camera set to aperture preferred, spot metering.

All of that is based on photographing for newspapers for nearly 40 years and having to come back with the shot. The closer I have it in camera, the less work I have to do to the image before it hits the press. Most of my stuff gets imported into Lightroom through a preset that I designed and it's good to go with little to no tweaking and it goes out through an export present that gives the prepress department what they need. I don't remember the last time I used Photoshop for anything but it's before any of the CC versions, and I think probably going back to 3.
I would say anybody that has bought into the urban... (show quote)


were you offended by the anonymous comment

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May 2, 2017 12:56:59   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
selmslie wrote:
I would hope that most of us are smarter. We have judgement, the camera does not.

What we are not is faster.


I would hope so also, but hope isn't a bankable commodity. The question is really about the quality of that judgment, and not all photographers are created equal.

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May 2, 2017 13:00:36   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
canon Lee wrote:
were you offended by the anonymous comment


What makes you think that any offense was taken?

Given your original question, the response seemed entirely reasonable me.

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May 2, 2017 13:56:42   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Peterff wrote:
I would hope so also, but hope isn't a bankable commodity. The question is really about the quality of that judgment, and not all photographers are created equal.

Sunny 16 lets me capture egrets or white flowers in full sunlight without blowing the highlights regardless of the background. If I used auto-anything the camera can easily screw up.

I think that most photographers who shoot on full manual probably know what they are doing and are smarter than their cameras.

Those who rely on auto-anything are probably having to chimp a lot, check their histograms often and adjust their exposure compensation frequently. They can break that cycle with a little practice.

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May 2, 2017 14:25:10   #
SS319
 
I will bracket if I have several stops of light across the image and I want to use HDR to enhance the dynamic range. I grew up on an AP camera, so I do use either AP or SP when I disagree with Otto, and I will use Manuel when the shot calls for it. If I use Manual, I will start in P and use the Light meter settings as a starting point. I use AP and SP backwards - I will use AP if I want to control the shutter speed and I will use SP if I want to control the aperture setting.

I am always interested in getting the most information into the camera when shooting - I pay no nevermind to the old hacks - younger than me - who think you must use a wooden tripod and a leaf shutter. My interest in photography lies in the image - I constantly strive to get the best finished image and I will use every setting on my camera, every combination o lenses and every darkroom (I have a darkroom on my computer) trick in the book to get the final image I am looking for. many years ago I had a Kodak 3A and a graphics Press 4X5, and even a twin lens 120, and I even had an old wooden tripod - in my tinker days, but today, it is all about image and that means using the camera for all its worth and then applying corrections to achieve "My" image.

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May 2, 2017 14:39:49   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
advocate1982 wrote:
My way of thinking, unless strobes are involved, shooting in manual is like running the 100 yard dash with your shoe laces tied together. Yeah you can do it, but you are not going to win any prizes.


So, basically, you believe that the ONLY way to get good prize winning images is to use AUTO? Instead of learning the how's and why's and being creative?

I will take manual any day and twice on Sunday.

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May 2, 2017 14:50:55   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
A.J.R. wrote:
As a professional I used mainly medium and large format manual cameras. Now retired using digital I very rarely use manual. Why would I want too? 99% of the time the camera will automatically set the exposure I would use anyway, and I can set aperture, shutter or program mode to control movement and DOF.
Why do photographers make it more difficult for themselves by using manual? Its the result that counts. No one will know or care if you have used manual or auto.


The idea that doing something the hard way is somehow more virtuous is mind boggling. Once you know your camera, you are a little bit daft not to employ its talents, only tweaking when you know it is not up to the particular job.

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May 2, 2017 15:14:18   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
selmslie wrote:
Sunny 16 lets me capture egrets or white flowers in full sunlight without blowing the highlights regardless of the background. If I used auto-anything the camera can easily screw up.

I think that most photographers who shoot on full manual probably know what they are doing and are smarter than their cameras.

Those who rely on auto-anything are probably having to chimp a lot, check their histograms often and adjust their exposure compensation frequently. They can break that cycle with a little practice.
Sunny 16 lets me capture egrets or white flowers i... (show quote)


I both agree and disagree. It comes down to the knowledge and skills of the photographer. Sometimes the camera is smarter, and as time goes on increasingly so. However, those that know how to make a good image are also frequently smart enough know how to use their camera's auto functions to good effect.

Whether using manual or auto modes it requires understanding what the camera will do and not ceding control to the camera's intelligence, no matter how good it may be unless trusted to deliver the required result. That said, clinging to manual only demonstrates a lack of understanding of the camera's abilities.

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May 2, 2017 15:16:32   #
BebuLamar
 
CatMarley wrote:
The idea that doing something the hard way is somehow more virtuous is mind boggling. Once you know your camera, you are a little bit daft not to employ its talents, only tweaking when you know it is not up to the particular job.


Not virtuous it's simply fun as I don't do it for the money. If I do it for the money then I always do it the easiest way. But then at times the easiest way is to do it manually as sometimes the camera doesn't do thing for you as you wanted if left on auto.

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May 2, 2017 15:22:20   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
CatMarley wrote:
The idea that doing something the hard way is somehow more virtuous is mind boggling. Once you know your camera, you are a little bit daft not to employ its talents, only tweaking when you know it is not up to the particular job.

Once you really know when your camera is not up to the job you will understand the difference between it's judgement and yours.

You should aspire to be smarter than the camera.

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May 2, 2017 15:23:56   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
selmslie wrote:
Once you really know when your camera is not up to the job you will understand the difference between it's judgement and yours.

You should aspire to be smarter than the camera.



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May 2, 2017 15:27:37   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
selmslie wrote:
Once you really know when your camera is not up to the job you will understand the difference between it's judgement and yours.

You should aspire to be smarter than the camera.


Now with that I agree, (mostly), but you should also be smart enough to know when the camera's auto functions will deliver what you want, and when to set things differently. Perhaps it is about knowing which and how many auto functions to set, as well as which values to set them to.

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