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Apr 26, 2017 08:12:51   #
cthahn
 
A tripod is a must for any photographer. Many wont us it and their photos show it. You do not say if the birds are flying or perched. You don't say what shutter speed you are using. How are you focusing?

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Apr 26, 2017 08:27:55   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Yes, thank you for the lecture on the basics of IS, a subject I am quite familiar with, and I do apologize for omitting the common sense instruction, turn it off.


You are very welcome Richard. No need to cry

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Apr 26, 2017 09:17:44   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Jaackil wrote:
You are very welcome Richard. No need to cry


My name is not Richard and I am not crying, although maybe Richard is.

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Apr 26, 2017 09:26:57   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
My name is not Richard and I am not crying, although maybe Richard is.


Oh I am sorry I just assumed it was Richard because you replied like a real Dick

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Apr 26, 2017 09:56:03   #
stevebein
 
Did you turn off IS with the tripod? Did you do the test shots with a target for comparison, or just pressed the shutter release button? Are you using proper telephoto technique when mounted on the tripod? The tripod and head are important in the tests. Is the tripod you are using a cheap lightweight one, or a heavier one? What head are you using? I have gotten tack sharp images with tele lenses ( equivalent of 800mm or more with TC's) as have thousands of others. The total package is important. Remote cables are fine, but not for action such as moving birds, etc. High shutter speeds will work well. There are many factors to consider. IF test shots are tack sharp, then something else is a factor. The camera, lenses, iso, shutter speeds and other factors are critical.

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Apr 26, 2017 10:08:50   #
Bob Boner
 
I can't imagine photographing wildlife (except possibly birds in flight) without using a tripod. The tripod needs to be sturdy. Too many people buy light weight tripods rather than getting ones that will properly support the weight of their lenses. I teach photography at a college and my advice to students is that their first accessory to their camera should be a sturdy tripod. They should imagine the largest lens they will ever use and buy a tripod for that lens. A person will end up buying fewer tripods that way. Take it from one who knows from experience.

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Apr 26, 2017 10:36:06   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Jaackil wrote:
Actually IS is not ineffective or should I say inactive at fast shutter speeds. It will actually do a lot to ruin a shot. If turned on it is always working to detect camera motion or shake. At higher shutter speeds it will perceive a moving object you are shooting as camera shake and try to counter act it which will introduce blur to an image. So it will actually do the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do. If you read the manual for the lens it always says turn off IS when using a tripod or faster shutter speeds. IS is designed to be used at shutter speeds slower than one could normally hand hold without movement. For example, As a guideline, if normal handheld is 1 over the focal lenght on a 300 mm lens is should only be used below a shutter speed of 1/300. On a 50mm lens on speeds less than 1/50. This is why the OP is getting sharper pictures of moving objects by upping the shutter speed and turning off the IS
Actually IS is not ineffective or should I say ina... (show quote)


I think this is the answer to your problem!

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Apr 26, 2017 10:40:06   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Jaackil wrote:
Oh I am sorry I just assumed it was Richard because you replied like a real Dick


At least I am mature enough to refrain from childish name calling, and I did thank you, Jaack.

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Apr 26, 2017 10:45:57   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Bob Boner wrote:
I can't imagine photographing wildlife (except possibly birds in flight) without using a tripod. The tripod needs to be sturdy. Too many people buy light weight tripods rather than getting ones that will properly support the weight of their lenses. I teach photography at a college and my advice to students is that their first accessory to their camera should be a sturdy tripod. They should imagine the largest lens they will ever use and buy a tripod for that lens. A person will end up buying fewer tripods that way. Take it from one who knows from experience.
I can't imagine photographing wildlife (except pos... (show quote)


Great advice, a good tripod is a necessity, as is a good gimbal head; it makes photographing BIF a whole lot easier...

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Apr 26, 2017 10:54:19   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
At least I am mature enough to refrain from childish name calling, and I did thank you, Jaack.

So replying like a Dick is all ok when you say thank you. So Thank You Very Much.

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Apr 26, 2017 11:16:02   #
Linckinn Loc: Okatie, SC and Edgartown, MA
 
Again, I also thank the most recent posters for their thoughts. I have a good tripod, but should be less lazy about using it and should get a gimbal head.

Thanks.

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Apr 26, 2017 11:17:13   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Autofocus ON or OFF? I found that sometimes you can get sharper images with manual focus depending on your technique.

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Apr 26, 2017 11:56:58   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
As long as the noise is acceptable, it makes perfect sense to raise the ISO in order to enable sufficiently high shutter speed.

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Apr 26, 2017 12:12:59   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Linckinn wrote:
I have recently been taking hand held eagle, wood stork, and egret pictures with medium telephoto (Nikon 55-300 and Panasonic 100-300) lenses. In most cases there is a little softness, not enough to totally ruin the picture, but not the sharpness I would like. I have experimented to try to determine if the problem is focus, camera shake, or inferior lens. Depending on the answer, the solution could be new camera, new lens, or always use tripod. I would hate to lay out the money only to find I have diagnosed incorrectly and there is no improvement.

I have concluded that the problem is camera shake (I have reasonably steady hands, but am 72, so not perfect). With cameras like the new Olympus advertising 5.5 "stops" of IS, it occurred to me why not just move the ISO 3 or 4 stops in my existing cameras and gain the resulting shutter speed. If my camera and lens IS is 2 or 3, maybe that would accomplish the same thing. There is no appreciable noise at 800 or even 1600, especially in sun light. I tried it and got much improved results. (I was already shooting at 1/effective focal length or more, so the above was at numbers like 1/3000.)

So my question is what am I missing? The above seems way too simple. Is there a direct correlation with shutter speed and image stabilization, or is something else going on? Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

So, what am I missing?
I have recently been taking hand held eagle, wood ... (show quote)

Were those shots "still shots", or "action shots" (birds on the move/flying, etc.), as for any action shots, you always turn IS off, because of mentioned problems! If it were "still shots", maybe it was just too much to asked of the IS ( it can do only so much). If possible, it is always best to use a tripod, but IS is usually really helpful. You do need to give it a little time when shooting, give it a second to engage to really work!

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Apr 26, 2017 12:19:41   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
cambriaman wrote:
Autofocus ON or OFF? I found that sometimes you can get sharper images with manual focus depending on your technique.

I've read otherwise, but it probably depends on the camera. I do find that autofocus at times will decide to focus on something other than I want it to focus on, however, so I switch to manual focus quite often.

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