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Apr 25, 2017 10:51:06   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
[quote=Cdouthitt]What camera are you shooting that you can use both a nikon and panasonic lens? I'm a assuming it's a panasonic body.

The Panasonic 100-300 version 1 is known to be a little soft on the

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Apr 25, 2017 10:54:17   #
jlvia33
 
The shutter speed should be the reciprocal of the focal length of the lens—or faster. For example, if you are using a 400mm lens, you should be shooting with a shutter speed of 1⁄400th of a second or faster to get a sharp picture. If you are using a 500mm lens with a 1.4x teleconverter, then according to this guideline the shutter should be at least 1⁄700th of a second. Because the shutter speed is so critical to getting sharp images, the maximum lens aperture is a vital part of the equation. Even a one stop difference in speed can mean that your pictures will be tack sharp as opposed to disappointingly soft.

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Apr 25, 2017 11:00:33   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
[quote=RichardSM]
Cdouthitt wrote:
What camera are you shooting that you can use both a nikon and panasonic lens? I'm a assuming it's a panasonic body.

The Panasonic 100-300 version 1 is known to be a little soft on the

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me or you?

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Apr 25, 2017 11:09:29   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
quick answer YES....

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Apr 25, 2017 11:14:40   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
me or you?


My mistake

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Apr 25, 2017 15:45:38   #
Linckinn Loc: Okatie, SC and Edgartown, MA
 
Thank you all for your thoughts. Many good ideas and some here-to-fore lacking new knowledge. Don't have time to post example pictures now, but I think the drift of the comments is accurate without actually seeing them; maybe I'll post tomorrow.

Let me respond randomly to some of the questions asked: Morrison 1116- I am not still getting soft at high shutter speeds, so I think focus is fine. Also, it is excellent with other lenses and shorter focal lengths on both cameras. Brucej67- I like the confirmation that your combination works. Several people- Thanks for the thought that IS is actually counterproductive at high shutter speeds; I was unaware of that. Cdouthitt- Thanks for your thoughts; I use an old Nikon 5100 and a Panasonic GX8, which takes fantastic pictures most of the time. It is the 100 - 300, which does seem to be a little soft anyway at the long end. I have some very sharp pictures with that lens at shorter lengths. That is part off the dilemma...do I buy the quite expensive 100 - 400, which is apparently fantastic. I wouldn't mind the expense if it produced the desired result, but sure would feel stupid spending the money if I still couldn't get the shots I want. I will probably rent it somewhere along the line and see.

Again, thank you everyone. I appreciate the help.

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Apr 25, 2017 16:03:17   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Linckinn wrote:
Thank you all for your thoughts. Many good ideas and some here-to-fore lacking new knowledge. Don't have time to post example pictures now, but I think the drift of the comments is accurate without actually seeing them; maybe I'll post tomorrow.

Let me respond randomly to some of the questions asked: Morrison 1116- I am not still getting soft at high shutter speeds, so I think focus is fine. Also, it is excellent with other lenses and shorter focal lengths on both cameras. Brucej67- I like the confirmation that your combination works. Several people- Thanks for the thought that IS is actually counterproductive at high shutter speeds; I was unaware of that. Cdouthitt- Thanks for your thoughts; I use an old Nikon 5100 and a Panasonic GX8, which takes fantastic pictures most of the time. It is the 100 - 300, which does seem to be a little soft anyway at the long end. I have some very sharp pictures with that lens at shorter lengths. That is part off the dilemma...do I buy the quite expensive 100 - 400, which is apparently fantastic. I wouldn't mind the expense if it produced the desired result, but sure would feel stupid spending the money if I still couldn't get the shots I want. I will probably rent it somewhere along the line and see.

Again, thank you everyone. I appreciate the help.
Thank you all for your thoughts. Many good ideas ... (show quote)


This thread may help you decide on the 100-400:
https://www.mu-43.com/threads/panasonic-leica-100-400mm-f-4-6-3-dg-vario-elmar.84433/

For me, since I owned the EM1ii, I opted to go with the 150mm f2 and the EC-20 to get a 300mm f4 lens.

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Apr 25, 2017 17:24:33   #
Linckinn Loc: Okatie, SC and Edgartown, MA
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
This thread may help you decide on the 100-400:
https://www.mu-43.com/threads/panasonic-leica-100-400mm-f-4-6-3-dg-vario-elmar.84433/

For me, since I owned the EM1ii, I opted to go with the 150mm f2 and the EC-20 to get a 300mm f4 lens.


Thanks, Cdouhitt. Fabulous pictures. That's my other thought is the EM1ii. Problem is I like the GX-8 so much I want to keep shooting with it. Other than my problems addressed in the thread, it produces fantastic pictures. We'll see what happens.

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Apr 26, 2017 03:18:58   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Jaackil wrote:
Actually IS is not ineffective or should I say inactive at fast shutter speeds. It will actually do a lot to ruin a shot. If turned on it is always working to detect camera motion or shake. At higher shutter speeds it will perceive a moving object you are shooting as camera shake and try to counter act it which will introduce blur to an image. So it will actually do the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do. If you read the manual for the lens it always says turn off IS when using a tripod or faster shutter speeds. IS is designed to be used at shutter speeds slower than one could normally hand hold without movement. For example, As a guideline, if normal handheld is 1 over the focal lenght on a 300 mm lens is should only be used below a shutter speed of 1/300. On a 50mm lens on speeds less than 1/50. This is why the OP is getting sharper pictures of moving objects by upping the shutter speed and turning off the IS
Actually IS is not ineffective or should I say ina... (show quote)


Yes, thank you for the lecture on the basics of IS, a subject I am quite familiar with, and I do apologize for omitting the common sense instruction, turn it off.

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Apr 26, 2017 06:01:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Linckinn wrote:
(I was already shooting at 1/effective focal length or more, so the above was at numbers like 1/3000.)


Do you mean 1/300? As photogreg said, you must first use a tripod under controlled conditions and see if there is any softness in the images. I doubt you can buy your way to sharper images.

Very good article on stabilization.

http://www.bythom.com/nikon-vr.htm

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Apr 26, 2017 06:53:29   #
h2odog Loc: Brooklyn NY
 
The 100-300 benefits greatly by using a tripod and not extending it all the way to 300mm but bringing it back a bit to 280mm.
Check out this YouTube video from almost four years ago. It may be still relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzLfLa2acA

When I had the 100-300, I used it a Lumix GX85 with dual IS and the lens performed well.
It was just too heavy for me to use, so I sold it.

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Apr 26, 2017 06:58:47   #
DRG777 Loc: Metro Detroit
 
If you are zooming in for the shots then you may be pushing the IS more than it can handle.

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Apr 26, 2017 07:35:17   #
Linckinn Loc: Okatie, SC and Edgartown, MA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Do you mean 1/300? As photogreg said, you must first use a tripod under controlled conditions and see if there is any softness in the images. I doubt you can buy your way to sharper images.

Very good article on stabilization.

http://www.bythom.com/nikon-vr.htm


Thank you Jerry. Very eye-opening article. I think for me, who seems to have enough shake to affect longer focal lengths, fast shutter speed with no IS is the way to go. The pictures I took 2 days ago at 3000+ were very sharp, and now I'll try IS off.

Two other comments: I meant not 1/300, but 1/ effective 35 mm equivalent, which would be 1/450 on the Nikon 300 and 1/600 on the Panasonic. Second, it was the very notion that trying to "buy my way out of it" wouldn't work that lead me to experiment with the high ISO & focus and post this thread in the first place. As I said I don't mind spending the money if it solves the problem, but would feel very stupid if it didn't.

Thanks for the comments and insight. Sure has changed my understanding of VR.

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Apr 26, 2017 08:01:34   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
Eddy Vortex wrote:
I don't think that you are missing anything! I shoot live theater under extremely variable lighting conditions from the read-throughs to the final curtain and I shoot ISO6400 all the time, now that it's a very useable. Modern high ISO levels have upped my "keepers" to about 70%. High ISO's and fast lenses have made my life complete:)

70% keepers ? That's phenomenal .
I shot live concerts for a band here in NJ for several years in the 1970's before they got super big . Keeper rate was 30% . But that of course was with film . What am I missing , if anything ?
No IS . ASA 64 chrome with flash or 400 negative film ( pushed to 800/1600 ) for available light . Prime and zoom Rokkor lenses . Manual focus . Some studio work shot with ASA 25 chrome with tripod .

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Apr 26, 2017 08:11:07   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Jaackil wrote:
Actually IS is not ineffective or should I say inactive at fast shutter speeds. It will actually do a lot to ruin a shot. If turned on it is always working to detect camera motion or shake. At higher shutter speeds it will perceive a moving object you are shooting as camera shake and try to counter act it which will introduce blur to an image. So it will actually do the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do. If you read the manual for the lens it always says turn off IS when using a tripod or faster shutter speeds. IS is designed to be used at shutter speeds slower than one could normally hand hold without movement. For example, As a guideline, if normal handheld is 1 over the focal lenght on a 300 mm lens is should only be used below a shutter speed of 1/300. On a 50mm lens on speeds less than 1/50. This is why the OP is getting sharper pictures of moving objects by upping the shutter speed and turning off the IS
Actually IS is not ineffective or should I say ina... (show quote)

Thanks for that answer - you anticipated the question I was just asking myself. I think I will assign IS to that button I don't use very often on my A6000 so I can easily switch it on or off.

But that raises the question in my mind of why Sony does not automatically shut off IS when the exposure time is short. Or maybe they do and I just don't know it.

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