Coal Country... (Page 6): Obama moved and moved other nations. We all wish He could have done more. He moved China, too slowly we agree, but politics is the art of the possible. What...

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

mwalsh wrote:

Thank him for what he tried, but failed to do?

Chester is right for once, our historic emissions agreement with China has no teeth on what is "required" from China. They start to work on reducing emissions in 15 or 20 years... very powerful requirement there.

So what are we to thank Mr. Obama for on this issue?

Obama moved and moved other nations. We all wish He could have done more. He moved China, too slowly we agree, but politics is the art of the possible.

What Obama did is going to seem great on this issue, compared to what Trump will do, which will be less than nothing.

China and India have horrific problems, and air pollution problems travel; they don't just stay home.

It's tragic that Trump is destroying all this, and we'll all pay for it.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Steven Seward wrote:

You still haven't said what he did to stop China, Russia, Mexico and others from spewing all that pollution. The measures he took were all in the United States, which for all practical purposes does not have pollution problems. And just an aside - when scientists and journalists say something is "linked" to this or that, it pretty much means they are speculating or guessing, otherwise they would say that something is "caused."

Come on, step into reality. There were International agreements, not great but something.

He moved China, in the distant future, I wish it could be sooner, but still it is better than what Trump is doing.

When scientists say 'linked,' they mean there is a statistical relationship--which is how they established that smoking caused illness and death.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

mwalsh wrote:

Thank him for what he tried, but failed to do?

Chester is right for once, our historic emissions agreement with China has no teeth on what is "required" from China. They start to work on reducing emissions in 15 or 20 years... very powerful requirement there.

So what are we to thank Mr. Obama for on this issue?

Actually china has begun to clean it's air. The clean air commercials air very often on Chinese TV Channels . I will be in North East China later this month bring back a few photos o the air pollution, they may surprise you but then again they may also surprise me. I will not be in Beijing which is the most polluted city in the nation but I will be within a 200 miles downwind.

Frosty Loc: Minnesota

letmedance wrote:

Actually china has begun to clean it's air. The clean air commercials air very often on Chinese TV Channels . I will be in North East China later this month bring back a few photos o the air pollution, they may surprise you but then again they may also surprise me. I will not be in Beijing which is the most polluted city in the nation but I will be within a 200 miles downwind.

Here is an excerpt from the "ECONOMIST", about their attitude on air polluion:

A study released by America’s National Academy of Sciences in July found that air pollution in the north of China reduces life expectancy by five-and-a-half years. The rivers are filthy, the soil contaminated. The government has long known this and attempted to clean things up. Yet still the smog comes.

And there is something else in the air, less immediately damaging but with a far bigger global impact. China’s greenhouse-gas emissions were about 10% of the world’s total in 1990. Now they are nearer 30%. Since 2000 China alone has accounted for two-thirds of the global growth in carbon-dioxide emissions. This will be very hard to reverse. While America and Europe are cutting their emissions by 60m tonnes a year combined, China is increasing its own by over 500m tonnes. This makes it a unique global threat.

Nonsense, say Chinese officials. China is not responsible for the build-up of greenhouse gases. The West is. There are environmental problems, true, but China is simply following a pattern set by Britain, America and Japan: “grow first, clean up later”. China grew unusually fast but it is now cleaning up unusually fast, too. Its efforts to rein in pollution are undervalued; its investments in wind and solar power put others to shame; its carbon emissions will peak sooner than people expect. China will one day do for zero-carbon energy what it has already done for consumer electronics—put it within reach of everyone. It will not be a threat to the planet but the model for how to clean it up.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Frosty wrote:

Here is an excerpt from the "ECONOMIST",... (show quote)

True, China does have a clean air program in existence and they are working towards cleaning up their air.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Frosty wrote:

Here is an excerpt from the "ECONOMIST",... (show quote)

It is news to me that Europe is cutting CO2 emissions at all. I thought they had not reversed the upward trend at all. Actually, I am hopeful that CO2 emissions will rise and the Planet will get a little warmer. After saying that, I've got to get to work, so y'all can fight it out among yourselves!

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

mwalsh wrote:

It is a separate award, different from the original Nobel prizes. But the Nobel committee supports it, and it is listed on their website along with the "true" Nobel prize winners.

Leica's rant is true, but irrelevant. As usual.

Except for the "true" part. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Frosty Loc: Minnesota

John_F wrote:

Electricity is but one means of producing energ for stationary utilizers. There is the mobile energy uses.

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you agreeing with me, disagreeing or adding to it?

Frosty Loc: Minnesota

Twardlow wrote:

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Thank you for supporting these deaths through your support of burning coal. If you turn out to be one of them, it would be so just, wouldn't it?

Cheers....

Was this meant for me??

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

letmedance wrote:

Actually china has begun to clean it's air. The clean air commercials air very often on Chinese TV Channels . I will be in North East China later this month bring back a few photos o the air pollution, they may surprise you but then again they may also surprise me. I will not be in Beijing which is the most polluted city in the nation but I will be within a 200 miles downwind.

Remember the Olympics that were held there!

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Twardlow wrote:

Remember the Olympics that were held there!

Certainly do and they put a bunch of effort into cleaning up the City and the air. Unfortunately densely occupied Cities like Beijing are subject to pollution problems and not just air pollution. 21.5 million living in a city with a population density of 11,500 per Sq Km can create many problems. If all these commuters used depended on Hydrocarbons to commute the air would be much worse, there is a good public transport system with Buss, train and subway, but each day millions move about the city on Bicycle or by foot.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Frosty wrote:

*****
Of course, Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize laureate in economics doesn't know as much about economics as you do. Say again what university you recieved your education in economics.

Was it Trump U ?

Frosty Loc: Minnesota

John_F wrote:

Was it Trump U ?

Now that was a clever response.

Reddog Loc: Southern Calif

Steven Seward wrote:

So I guess Leica User was absolutely right that Krugman did not actually win a Nobel Prize, as your Wikipedia article explains. Thank you for confirming.

Leica user WRONG,say it ain't so! LOL