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Apr 1, 2017 10:57:49   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....
Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you: br ... (show quote)

That was a strange post. You started by saying "Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:" and then you never said anything about what Obama did.

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Apr 1, 2017 10:59:58   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Thanks for the info. I didn't know there was no such thing as a Nobel Prize in Economics.


It is a separate award, different from the original Nobel prizes. But the Nobel committee supports it, and it is listed on their website along with the "true" Nobel prize winners.

Leica's rant is true, but irrelevant. As usual.

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Apr 1, 2017 11:07:16   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....
Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you: br ... (show quote)


Obama is a failure in not getting China and India on board till 2030 where it will begin to reduce emissions. Meanwhile 2 coal burning plants are coming online in China.
Question: Have you ever been to China or even India in the last decade to see the effects of pollution compared to the U.S.?

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Apr 1, 2017 11:10:04   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
mwalsh wrote:
It is a separate award, different from the original Nobel prizes. But the Nobel committee supports it, and it is listed on their website along with the "true" Nobel prize winners.

Leica's rant is true, but irrelevant. As usual.


Update your avatar, we want to see the effect of all the donuts on your mid-section. We can see the affect of the sugar on your mental capacities.


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Apr 1, 2017 11:23:18   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Steven Seward wrote:
That was a strange post. You started by saying "Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:" and then you never said anything about what Obama did.


I think most of the third graders got it. Let me make it clear for the kindergarten class:

Obama fought for the air you breathe. People--many people--even people in this country, your relatives and friends perhaps, someday maybe even you, die each and every day--die in a way that is measurable and that can be attributed to air pollution, and the situation is getting worse every day.

This is not some pie-in-the-sky statistic that someone pulls out of his ass, but fact, measurable fact, attributable fact, assigned by knowledgable professionals who know that bad air kills, in this country, in Europe and China--EVERYWHERE!

Coal burning (among other things) Kills People in Every Country and Every Day. Period!

Burn Coal, Thousands Die, someplace, sometime, always, all the time, everywhere, always, continuing forever.

Read this everyday until you understand it; might take months, but worth the effort.

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Apr 1, 2017 11:25:32   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Checkmate wrote:
Obama is a failure in not getting China and India on board till 2030 where it will begin to reduce emissions. Meanwhile 2 coal burning plants are coming online in China.
Question: Have you ever been to China or even India in the last decade to see the effects of pollution compared to the U.S.?


Have you read my post today (April 1, but honest) that Air Pollution Travels?

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Apr 1, 2017 11:33:12   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Checkmate wrote:
Obama is a failure in not getting China and India on board till 2030 where it will begin to reduce emissions. Meanwhile 2 coal burning plants are coming online in China.
Question: Have you ever been to China or even India in the last decade to see the effects of pollution compared to the U.S.?



How about this:



Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....

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Apr 1, 2017 11:38:15   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Electricity is but one means of producing energ for stationary utilizers. There is the mobile energy uses.

Frosty wrote:
**********
What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?

In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.1  About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1 

Coal = 33%
Natural gas = 33%
Nuclear = 20%
Hydropower = 6%
Other renewables = 7%
Biomass = 1.6%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Solar = 0.6%
Wind = 4.7%
Petroleum = 1%
Other gases = <1%

1 Preliminary data; based on generation by utility-scale facilities.

Learn more:
Energy Explained: Electricity in the United States
Electric Power Monthly: Chapter 1: Net Generation
Monthly Energy Review
*******
It seems that coal only produces only aboutt 33 percent of the nations electricity, not as stated in this article that it produces over 50 percent. Forevermore. A lot of the electricity is produced by cleaner western coal, not dirty eastern coal. ,.
********** br What is U.S. electricity generation ... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2017 11:41:44   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Twardlow wrote:
I think most of the third graders got it. Let me make it clear for the kindergarten class:

Obama fought for the air you breathe. People--many people--even people in this country, your relatives and friends perhaps, someday maybe even you, die each and every day--die in a way that is measurable and that can be attributed to air pollution, and the situation is getting worse every day.

This is not some pie-in-the-sky statistic that someone pulls out of his ass, but fact, measurable fact, attributable fact, assigned by knowledgable professionals who know that bad air kills, in this country, in Europe and China--EVERYWHERE!

Coal burning (among other things) Kills People in Every Country and Every Day. Period!

Burn Coal, Thousands Die, someplace, sometime, always, all the time, everywhere, always, continuing forever.

Read this everyday until you understand it; might take months, but worth the effort.
I think most of the third graders got it. Let me ... (show quote)

The Air Quality Index in the United States has improved so much in the last several decades that around 2006 or so it was said that our air was now at its cleanest point since before the start of the Industrial Revolution. There really was nothing to save us from. It is the rest of the World that is contributing to air pollution, and Obama had little or no control over that. No President has, short of invading and shutting down their fossil fuel burning plants.

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Apr 1, 2017 11:43:12   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Checkmate wrote:
Obama owns ISIS. Do we have to know much more than that at this stage?


My friend, Obama is gone, and Hillary is gone.

As thinking people, we have a problem, now, today, and it's our problem, not Obama's and not Hillary's.

It is our problem, and we have to solve it with a Pentagon full of Generals Who Have Never Won A War!

When we bomb and kill 200 innocent civilians at a single time, we recruit for ISIS, and things get worse.

We need to find a way to make things get better, instead.

We aren't doing it.

We can say, if we want, that the Entire Middle East Was Enflamed By George Bush And The Republican Party (and undoubtedly for a profit). That solves nothing now.

How can we make the situation improve for a succession of days, so that we can get our asses out of that place?

Hopefully, we can do it honorably, but do it we must--and soon!

We have spend Six Trillion Dollars Getting Our Asses Kicked Daily, And That Isn't Something That Leads To Success.

I'm tired of seen ex-GIs walking on pancake-turner legs, having accomplished Nothing.

George W. Bush was unspeakably Stupid getting us in there, enflaming the entire Middle East with Military Incompetence and Political Corruption, and OUR solution is turning things over to Donald Trump???

Sweet Jesus, we have no hope.

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Apr 1, 2017 11:46:51   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Steven Seward wrote:
The Air Quality Index in the United States has improved so much in the last several decades that around 2006 or so it was said that our air was now at its cleanest point since before the start of the Industrial Revolution. There really was nothing to save us from. It is the rest of the World that is contributing to air pollution, and Obama had little or no control over that. No President has, short of invading and shutting down their fossil fuel burning plants.




Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....


I guess things are going just great! My mistake, I guess.

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Apr 1, 2017 12:12:37   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Twardlow wrote:
How about this:



Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....
How about this: br br br br Well, here is what ... (show quote)


Thank him for what he tried, but failed to do?

Chester is right for once, our historic emissions agreement with China has no teeth on what is "required" from China. They start to work on reducing emissions in 15 or 20 years... very powerful requirement there.

So what are we to thank Mr. Obama for on this issue?

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Apr 1, 2017 12:28:01   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....


I guess things are going just great! My mistake, I guess.
Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you: br ... (show quote)

You still haven't said what he did to stop China, Russia, Mexico and others from spewing all that pollution. The measures he took were all in the United States, which for all practical purposes does not have pollution problems. And just an aside - when scientists and journalists say something is "linked" to this or that, it pretty much means they are speculating or guessing, otherwise they would say that something is "caused."

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Apr 1, 2017 12:30:43   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Twardlow wrote:
Leicaman brought China up thus:

"Does not matter though moron, if it is not used here, your favorite place Communist China, will buy it. They are opening two NEW coal fired plants a month. Why don't you criticize them shit for brains?"

Don't be fooled by the pretty words and music, he knows nothing (as if I have to tell you.)


Whom are you addressing the insults to, is it Leica or Frosty?

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Apr 1, 2017 12:32:35   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
Checkmate wrote:
Come on Frosty, tell everybody why this far leftist group gave Obama, who hadn't even had breakfast to get a Nobel Prize. Alfred Nobel is rolling around in his grave
over this massive mistake of using his name and honor to a man who should rate at the bottom of the totem pole of humanity.


First thing, I want to congratulate you for making a post without name calling or insults.........very refreshing.

Secondly, as I stated previously, I am not here to research and explain other peoples off topic comments.

Leica Loser brought up the issue of Obama being awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace, not me. I brought up the issue of Paul Klugman being a Nobel laureate after Leica User dispaged Klugman's column when he said: ".......Here are some of the facts about the coal industry that Klugman should have become faniliar with BEFORE he wrote this silly and mistake filled article. Once again, Krugman gets it wrong......" .

If you need someone to do some research for you on the subject of Obama's award, then I suggest you address this to Leica User. I said nothing about Obama's award have have no intention of explaining Lieca User's comments.

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