Coal Country... (Page 4): So I guess Leica User was absolutely right that Krugman did not actually win a Nobel Prize, as your Wikipedia article explains. Thank you for confirming.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Twardlow wrote:

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So I guess Leica User was absolutely right that Krugman did not actually win a Nobel Prize, as your Wikipedia article explains. Thank you for confirming.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

Yes the other issue was health care reform and that would have put all them folks out of work.

They are just not too good at analyzing what is best for themselves like you!

Steven Seward wrote:

I think Paul Krugman is full of sour grapes because Hillary lost, and he is looking for excuses, like the uneducated being too dumb to pick the right candidate. Apparently Bull Drink Water agrees with that assessment. Coal was not the only issue on the ballot.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

Never trust wiki anyone can write anything in an article.

YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED AGAIN! That must be a thousand times that has happened!

Steven Seward wrote:

So I guess Leica User was absolutely right that Krugman did not actually win a Nobel Prize, as your Wikipedia article explains. Thank you for confirming.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

ole sarg wrote:

Never trust wiki anyone can write anything in an article.

YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED AGAIN! That must be a thousand times that has happened!

Okay Mr. Smart Ass, show me some proof that there actually is a Nobel Prize for Economics. I think you are just talking without investigating your subject matter. Who is the one being duped here?

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Leica User wrote:

You need to pay attention you moron. Damn are you stupid. The battle plan against ISIS, stupid, is that they are dying everyday. Killing more of them every day. That is what is happening you decrepit moron. You need to look at some news for a change instead of having your deformed head stuck up paul krugman's ass.

How civilized. It's nice that we have a Forum where members can define themselves--demonstrate their cultivation and sophtication--for others to see. In life, some choose being assholes and living that role without thought, consideration, or meaning. Nice that you have that freedom.

Personally, I struggle to improve myself, to find the best version of truth that I can understand, and to improve slightly from day to day. I find that pointing out other's stupidity reflects badly on me, and I prefer for them to find it out themselves.

It takes decades of frustration, working some hand-to-mouth trade and giving up all thought of improving oneself, but that is the mode some choose.

Someday you will attain enough wisdom to understand that you are a total ass or schmuch as yiddish has it, but then of course it will be too late to change and you will justly die recognizing that you are a hopeless jerk. It is something we all wish.

Let me reduce your ignorance just a bit, if such a possibility exists.

We are not defeating ISIS. Not even close, but we are draining our treasure very effectively, and creating chaos and planting it as perpetual.

This week we announced a bombing by dropping leaflets indicating civilians should stay in their homes. Then we bombed those homes, killing some 200 innocent people.

You and I know that was an error; surviving victims believe it was a strategy. How many ISIS recruits did we create with that botched raid?

As long as we create more ISIS recruits than we kill, we are losing that war. The fantastic expense of our superweapons that cannot defeat the IED, compared to their cheap and effective tactics--with our continued help--guarantee we can lose this war, and probably will.

I hope this explanition doesn't unduly tax your mental capacity, and that your hopeless hostility continues to grow until judgement day.

Frosty Loc: Minnesota

Leica User wrote:

What is the matter loser? Trump is reversing the obama insanity and you cannot handle it can you loser? There are other data sources that say it is more than 50%. Does not matter though moron, if it is not used here, your favorite place Communist China, will buy it. They are opening two NEW coal fired plants a month. Why don't you criticize them shit for brains?

You are out of your league here and your wandering unsustantiated babble and childish name calling adds nothing to what could be an interesting and informative discussion.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Frosty wrote:

You are out of your league here and your wandering unsustantiated babble and childish name calling adds nothing to what could be an interesting and informative discussion.

Yes indeed, and have you seen the photos of the atmosphere in China, air they can't breathe.

They can have it all, as far as I'm concerned--for free.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Frosty wrote:

You are out of your league here and your wandering unsustantiated babble and childish name calling adds nothing to what could be an interesting and informative discussion.

"Air pollution and its costs travel, which means countries can’t fix this problem alone, according to an article published Thursday in the journal Nature.

The researchers looked in particular at how the human costs of ambient air pollution shift between China and the United States and Western Europe because of nature and the economy.

On the one hand, air contaminated by fine particulate matter in one country can sicken or kill people in another country. The article said that air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

On the other hand, international trade can create long distances between where goods are produced and where they are consumed. The researchers concluded that more than 760,000 air pollution-related deaths worldwide in 2007 were tied to the production of goods that would be sold far away. In particular, some 110,000 premature deaths in China that year were tied to consumption in the United States and Western Europe.

“Air pollution can travel long distances and cause health impacts in downwind regions,” Qiang Zhang, one of the co-authors and a researcher at Tsinghua University in Beijing, explained to Popular Science. “Our study revealed that international trade has greatly extended the distance of such impacts by separating the locations of consumption and production.”

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007. (Researchers on this article came from China, Canada, the U.S. and the U.K.)

Despite those figures, Zhang told Science magazine that the point wasn’t for one region to blame its premature deaths on another. Their findings simply quantify “the extent to which air pollution is a global problem in our global economy,” he said.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness.

Because exposure is frequently beyond the control of individuals, however, it’s crucial that local, national and international governments work together to protect people. The WHO urges governments to implement policies to lower pollution, such as promoting public transportation and using clean renewable power sources instead of coal."

Thank you for supporting these deaths through your support of burning coal. If you turn out to be one of them, it would be so just, wouldn't it?

Cheers....

Frosty Loc: Minnesota

Twardlow wrote:

Yes indeed, and have you seen the photos of the atmosphere in China, air they can't breathe.

They can have it all, as far as I'm concerned--for free.

I don't know how China entered this discussion but yes I've seen photos of the air pollution in China. There are photos of people wearing filter masks when outdoors. They are beginning to make efforts to reduce this air pollution unlike trump who is rescinding rules designed to keep the air clean. It won't matter anyway. Power companies are continuing to convert to gas. The days of coal miner jobs in places like West Virginia are numbered.

Western coal mining may go on or awhile since it is cleaner burning and is above ground mining as opposed to West Virginia under ground mines. West Virginia miners who believed trump and voted for him are in for a big dsappointment. They will soon see he lied to them.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Frosty wrote:

I don't know how China entered this discussion but... (show quote)

Leicaman brought China up thus:

"Does not matter though moron, if it is not used here, your favorite place Communist China, will buy it. They are opening two NEW coal fired plants a month. Why don't you criticize them shit for brains?"

Don't be fooled by the pretty words and music, he knows nothing (as if I have to tell you.)

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

Twardlow wrote:

Too bad you never learned to pay attention.

You should be in Northern Cal, LALA land. You still can't follow me.

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

Frosty wrote:

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...........and you are a better judge of who should qualify for the Nobel Prize and who shouldn't. Maybe you should write a letter to the committee explaining to them that because of their previous errors that you are available to make these decisions for them in the future........or you could tell them that in the future only conservatives should be awarded the Nobel Prize.

Come on Frosty, tell everybody why this far leftist group gave Obama, who hadn't even had breakfast to get a Nobel Prize. Alfred Nobel is rolling around in his grave
over this massive mistake of using his name and honor to a man who should rate at the bottom of the totem pole of humanity.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

phcaan wrote:

I have no problem with replacing coal with other energy sources, but not by simply shutting down existing coal fired electric plants without a viable cost effective alternative at hand.
That is not what Obama did, he in his imperial wisdom decreed that coal use would stop, regardless of the consequences. The American public did not agree.

First of all, there IS a viable cost effective alternative at hand, natural gas.

And Obama, in his wisdom (thank God you recognize that part) did not decree that coal use would stop, which it did not during his term, but attempted to decree there would be air for you to breathe, thank him later.

Ignorance has no recourse, has it?

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

phcaan wrote:

I have no problem with replacing coal with other energy sources, but not by simply shutting down existing coal fired electric plants without a viable cost effective alternative at hand.
That is not what Obama did, he in his imperial wisdom decreed that coal use would stop, regardless of the consequences. The American public did not agree.

Well, here is what Obama tried to do for you:

"...air pollution that originated in China in 2007 was linked to an estimated 3,100 premature deaths in the United States and Western Europe that year.

Globally, some 410,000 deaths in 2007 could be linked to air pollution that began in another region of the world. (In total, 3.45 million people died prematurely from air pollution in 2007.)

By multiple measures, China is particularly hard hit by air pollution. Some 650,000 Chinese died prematurely due to bad air in 2007.

In 2012, about 1 in 8 deaths worldwide ― 7 million people ― were due to air pollution, according to World Health Organization estimates. Exposure to air pollutants is linked to myriad health problems, including heart disease, stroke, cancer and respiratory illness."

You can thank him later....

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

Twardlow wrote:

How civilized. It's nice that we have a Forum whe... (show quote)

Obama owns ISIS. Do we have to know much more than that at this stage?