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Mar 11, 2017 01:56:50   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually it makes sense. I am not sure if you have driven in mountain roads but many are narrow and not safe - if you are not used to the local drivers - especially in the Italian side.... Bunch of maniacs in there.

Who is the most dangerous driver in the world? An Italian driver at the Arc de Triomphe roundabout at 1600Z on Friday! Worse than a Punjabi cab driver on the 405.......

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Mar 11, 2017 04:05:16   #
fjrwillie Loc: MA
 
The map that was placed up was just to get a sense of scale on Europe, not a specific route. I think I did that in about 25 seconds. Once scaled I realized that Europe was not all that big and could easily been driven in the time of 15 to 21 days or so. While we can do 300 miles in a day easily, doesn't mean we should or want to.

Thanks to all of folks that have commented, there is some great info in these posts to begin the planning stage.

Willie

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Mar 11, 2017 06:44:09   #
DRG777 Loc: Metro Detroit
 
In Switzerland, you should not miss the area around Interlaken (Bernese Oberland) or Zermatt (Matterhorn). In Italy, you should see the Dolomite Mountains, for example between Bolzano and Cortina d'Ampezzo.

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Mar 11, 2017 07:50:06   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
I would not miss central Austria but skip Hungary all together. I'm going to assume that as a biker, you are a good driver. However be very careful on Autobahns - DO NOT drive in the left lane unless you are hauling ass. Keep to the right and IF you pass another vehicle, keep checking the side view mirror before you make a move. Have fun either way but stay safe!

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Mar 11, 2017 08:13:16   #
Gspeed Loc: Rhinebeck, NY
 
I would like to recommend Lake Cuomo. We stayed at this place: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187835-d233468-Reviews-Metropole_Suisse_Hotel-Como_Lake_Como_Lombardy.html After traipsing through knee-deep level of American tourists in Rome, Venice, Barcelona, we found Lake Cuomo a breath of fresh air. Yes, there are tourists, but they are sophisticated. This is where the Europeans go to get away. The boat ride (about 4 hours, rt) was not to be missed (passed George Clooney's villa) with a stop at a little village with winding alleyways filled with little shops and art.

Didn't like Venice but loved the university town outside of Venice: Padua or Padova. Such fun! Stayed at this place which greeted us with wine and free bicycles to explore the city. Fond memory of my husband and I racing each other on bicycles at night, around the village square. https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187867-d237356-Reviews-Belludi_37-Padua_Province_of_Padua_Veneto.html

We loved Sienna, a real Italian experience. Not a bad place to purchase leather handbags and leather jackets!

We really loved Genoa, right on the Mediterranean and not tourist-infested. A place where ravioli was created. A place to get a feel for the real life of Italians. This funky hotel, right on the Mediterranean, might have been the highlight of our travel in Spain/Italy: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187823-d234373-Reviews-Romantik_Hotel_Villa_Pagoda-Genoa_Italian_Riviera_Liguria.html

While I would recommend getting off the main thoroughfares and onto the back roads, I would caution that we experienced the rudest, fastest, most outrageous driving imaginable. Scooters and motorcycles everywhere, daredevils. Be prepared to be astounded!

Have fun!

fjrwillie wrote:
Being an avid motorcycle rider, we have taken trips all over the US. We use scavenger hunts, National Parks, Odd ball places to journey on the back roads. I plan on retiring in August and in the planning stages of figuring out what am I gonna do with no place I have to go.

I came up with the idea of Flying into Zurich, renting a car and simply driving around the Alps. Thinking 15 to 21 days, we are use to putting in 300 miles a day on the bike with stops. I have never been to Europe so don't have a clue where to go, what to see. I figure I could get Garmin's Europe GPS maps and plan roads to take just based on what they look like in the Mapping program and referencing back to Google Maps.

So with that said, suggestions on where to stay, places I shouldn't miss, etc etc.

I know this is wide wide open, but I got time. Maybe head to Europe in May, June, July 2018 timeframe . Even suggestions on when to go.

We are use to doing 5,000 miles in 17 days on a motorcycle. Did a quick route in Google that is around 1700 miles to see what we could cover. We can cover a lot.

Any thoughts appreciated.


Willie
Being an avid motorcycle rider, we have taken trip... (show quote)

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Mar 11, 2017 09:01:06   #
William Royer Loc: Kansas
 
When noting that you're a motorcycle enthusiast and wanting to tour the Alps, I thought of a group called Edelweiss Tours. (https://www.edelweissbike.com/en/touren/?mid=10446). I came close to going with them some years ago, but couldn't get away. They had a wide variety of offerings with an eye toward what motocylists would enjoy, and tailored toward different kinds of interests and levels of riding. An acquaintance did go on one, and loved it. I see they are still around. Back then, one flew into Munich, and rented a BMW bike. They had a number of excellent routes laid out, with good hotels and interesting destinations each night. They had a vehicle which followed with your gear (and also a bike mechanic if anyone had problems). I haven't checked them out for years, might be interesting to take a look.

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Mar 11, 2017 09:23:35   #
Savanna
 
In your way to Venice, I would make a stop at Lago di Garda (Lake Garda), my favorite towns,
The ancient fortified town of Sirmione and Desenzano.

I would definitely visit the Dolomites, Cortina d'Ampezzo is the most popular where the rich and beautiful go, I prefer Alpe di Siusi, it's more quiet.

I'd like to see photos when you come back.
Have fun

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Mar 11, 2017 09:26:03   #
EDH1943 Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
A beautiful route, don't miss!

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Mar 11, 2017 09:27:49   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Being an avid motorcycle rider, we have taken trips all over the US. We use scavenger hunts, National Parks, Odd ball places to journey on the back roads. I plan on retiring in August and in the planning stages of figuring out what am I gonna do with no place I have to go.

I came up with the idea of Flying into Zurich, renting a car and simply driving around the Alps. Thinking 15 to 21 days, we are use to putting in 300 miles a day on the bike with stops. I have never been to Europe so don't have a clue where to go, what to see. I figure I could get Garmin's Europe GPS maps and plan roads to take just based on what they look like in the Mapping program and referencing back to Google Maps.

So with that said, suggestions on where to stay, places I shouldn't miss, etc etc.

I know this is wide wide open, but I got time. Maybe head to Europe in May, June, July 2018 timeframe . Even suggestions on when to go.

We are use to doing 5,000 miles in 17 days on a motorcycle. Did a quick route in Google that is around 1700 miles to see what we could cover. We can cover a lot.

Any thoughts appreciated.


Willie
Being an avid motorcycle rider, we have taken trip... (show quote)


Did something like it a few years ago. Was able to get the Garmin Europe chip on eBay for $45. It worked great.

Then when we got back I sold the chip on eBay...for $45.

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Mar 11, 2017 09:34:36   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually it makes sense. I am not sure if you have driven in mountain roads but many are narrow and not safe - if you are not used to the local drivers - especially in the Italian side.... Bunch of maniacs in there.

You stop at key points then drive/hike in. You basically use a 'base' and foray onto the surrounding areas.

That is what I am about to do albeit not in the Alps in just about three weeks (or less).


Obviously not a motorcyclist. The Swiss passes are to die for!

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Mar 11, 2017 09:44:14   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Get a GPS and when you travel set it to shortest distance. This runs you thru all the little towns. You will love that area. Traveled that aria during the occupation and many time since. Bad Tolz in Bavaria was the town I was stationed, a beautiful town, now a tourist aria.

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Mar 11, 2017 12:21:26   #
diabaig Loc: UK/Denver
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Being an avid motorcycle rider, we have taken trips all over the US. We use scavenger hunts, National Parks, Odd ball places to journey on the back roads. I plan on retiring in August and in the planning stages of figuring out what am I gonna do with no place I have to go.

I came up with the idea of Flying into Zurich, renting a car and simply driving around the Alps. Thinking 15 to 21 days, we are use to putting in 300 miles a day on the bike with stops. I have never been to Europe so don't have a clue where to go, what to see. I figure I could get Garmin's Europe GPS maps and plan roads to take just based on what they look like in the Mapping program and referencing back to Google Maps.

So with that said, suggestions on where to stay, places I shouldn't miss, etc etc.

I know this is wide wide open, but I got time. Maybe head to Europe in May, June, July 2018 timeframe . Even suggestions on when to go.

We are use to doing 5,000 miles in 17 days on a motorcycle. Did a quick route in Google that is around 1700 miles to see what we could cover. We can cover a lot.

Any thoughts appreciated.


Willie
Being an avid motorcycle rider, we have taken trip... (show quote)


Rent one of those big 1200cc BMW touring bikes with side and rear panniers. The Dolomites is a "must see" and lots of bikers know this so that is a perfect destination. Try biking up Passo Giau and stop at the hotel at the top. I suggest Chamonix for the Mont Blanc area and then through the tunnel south into northern Italy. Drive through the lakes area ( Maggiore etc) and across into Slovenia (I have not been there but it's on my to do list. Cut down the mileage - you can't just go to Europe once. That would be like "doing America" in 10 days! Crazy. If you go once, you will return and each country has a lot to offer and is unique. Have fun.

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Mar 11, 2017 12:51:49   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
Your chosen route is excellent and I am sure you will have a trip to remember and you will no doubt get lots of useful advice.
There are two points I would make, the first is that 300 miles is far too many to cover in a day especially in the Alpines, the other is DO NOT drive into Venice, catch a train from Padua, Italian trains are very cheap and fast and Venice Station is situated right next to the Grand Canal from where you can walk everywhere to see all those famous sites. Please let me know if you need any further advice.

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Mar 11, 2017 15:13:41   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
fjrwillie wrote:
The map that was placed up was just to get a sense of scale on Europe, not a specific route. I think I did that in about 25 seconds. Once scaled I realized that Europe was not all that big and could easily been driven in the time of 15 to 21 days or so. While we can do 300 miles in a day easily, doesn't mean we should or want to.

Thanks to all of folks that have commented, there is some great info in these posts to begin the planning stage.

Willie


If hiring a car Check first if you can cross borders with it.....some are not happy to allow this. Also remember that Europe has been suffering with Mass Migration, so travelling by car may be under a bit more scrutiny.

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Mar 11, 2017 16:06:14   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
G Brown wrote:
If hiring a car Check first if you can cross borders with it.....some are not happy to allow this. Also remember that Europe has been suffering with Mass Migration, so travelling by car may be under a bit more scrutiny.

And yet another typical 'ugly American' view of the EU.

Car rental is not affected simply because you must be 'legal' to rent but that this concept is largely ignored hey?

As to rent a car, there is a better solution that consists in purchasing (really leasing) a new car for a song and a dance. This is what we are doing this time. Maximal 'purchase ownership' is 175 days. Many European manufacturer use this type of deal to avoid some taxes. If you know about it and can afford paying in advance a new car can be waiting for you at the airport you land into. The only thing not included? Gas. Insurance is full coverage deductible, including theft so no surprise no pushing sale folk trying to get you to add 'insurance' with a huge deductible. Unlimited miles too...

Advantage vs straight rental?
- You select the exact model
- Full insurance coverage is included (You do not have to juggle between rentals in order to get your credit card insurance coverage. The last time I was in the EU I had to switch 4 times and one car ~ A Fiat 500. It was a piece of junk)
- No registration or fee for second/third driver

Disadvantage:
- While not said I got the feeling that you must make the deal a few weeks before leaving (3~4 weeks?) but I am not positive about that. I was on the short side and was 'upgraded for free'. Something about have a roof rack on the car ~ an option.
- You must live outside of the country and provide proof of residence (Passport/green card)
- Slightly more expensive ($200.00 for us)*
- Must be paid in advance
- In case have to cancellation you will lose part of your payment
- Limited pick-up to airports
- A bit more detailed when making the deal, all information must be given in advance (passport, driver license, payment)
- You must check if you can drive across borders. In our case, no problem as long as we stay in the EU.

Experience
- Received a phone call within a day of reservation as I had a special request (denied but I expected them to)
- It was easy to get in touch with the customer service and had the extension of the person who was 'my rep'.
- Paper work is really PDF send via e-mail. Digital signature allowed (made it with PS CC and a tablet)
- Confirmation of contract within 24 hours of sending back the PDFs duly filled.

Do a search for 'Europe by car**' check this out as well as other companies that offer the same type of deals.

There maybe a similar programs for bikers but no Harley as they are not produced in Europe.
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* We really would have saved $$$ had I not purchased a GPS in advance for the trip...
** 70 years in business

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