What if I pull the low-pass filter from my Canon M5 camera? (Page 2): I understand that, but who knows whether the design of this new camera is so easily modified and whether the cost...

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Apaflo wrote:

There is more than one company that specializes in exactly that. One reason is to repair a "scratched sensor". Another is to produce a camera for infra red imaging. But most such companies will also replace the existing AA filter with a "clear" filter that is not an optical low pass filter.

I understand that, but who knows whether the design of this new camera is so easily modified and whether the cost and effort will reap any real benefits for the OP. And, there is no doubt that the warranty will be voided. I also wonder whether Canon would perform any internal repairs, even for a fee, for a camera which has been modified.

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

mwsilvers wrote:

I understand that, but who knows whether the design of this new camera is so easily modified and whether the cost and effort will reap any real benefits for the OP. And, there is no doubt that the warranty will be voided. I also wonder whether Canon would perform any internal repairs, even for a fee, for a camera which has been modified.

Those are all unwarranted concerns, IMHO.

Obviously the warranty is voided. That is just part of the price. Since virtually all cameras made to date can have the filter stack removed from the sensor, why would (and how could) any given new camera be different.

Canon I suppose might choose not to do repair work on a modified camera. I doubt it, but it makes no difference because if they won't someone else will.

The ultimate point really is that if an owner chooses to modify a camera there are obvious consequences. That is part of the decision and part of the cost.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

mwsilvers wrote:

Don't want to get into the middle of a fight but you said, "See the 5DSR they choose to put them on." While I understand what you intended, the way it's phrased could be construed by some to mean just the opposite.

See the 5DSR is referring to no (actually cancelled) filter in this comment . Canon chooses to put the filters on but has the capability of not doing so. Wow I guess I need to go back to small simple phrases so as to not baffle small minds. I find there are plenty of old bitter minds on this site ready to attack anything beyond comprehension.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

Architect1776 wrote:

It does not. I know what I wrote so crawl back into your miserable cave.

Architect1776 wrote:

Canon does not need them. See the 5DSR they choose to put them on. Why? I have no idea.

Actually I'm not sure if you know what you wrote. MUYM!

sloscheider Loc: Minnesota

Here's an outfit that will do it for you: http://www.lifepixel.com/photography-gear/anti-aliasing-low-pass-filter-removal

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

There are cameras that still have the AA filters. Seems like I recall reading that the Nikon D750, D800, Sony's a77ii, and Canon's 5D Mark 2, have AA filters. All very good cameras. Correct me if I am wrong on any of these.

travisdeland Loc: deland, FL

DavidPhares wrote:

I have read where the Olympus Pen cameras shoot exceptionally sharp images due to not having the low-pass (AA) filters installed in their cameras. I have several questions:

(1) if that is the case then why do other (Canon, Nikon, etc) camera makers install these filters in their cameras?

And

(2) What would be the result if I had the filter removed from my recently purchased Canon M5 camera?

Any help would be appreciated.

David

I had the AA filter removed from one of my Canon 7DmkII bodies, and it did produce a noticable difference in sharpness, SOOC-to me, at least. I will say, also, that there is more than one filter over the sensor, and the assy is referred to as a "filter stack". The one caveat I have seen, at least with the Canon 7DmkII, is that in very strong sunlight, I'll get a slight bluish cast to the image, but this has proven to be correctable in PP. This might be corrected if I did a custom white balance, but I haven't tried this, yet. I used Spencers Camera, in Utah-they've done mods for NASA, and also have developed a sensor cooling system. Here's a link:

http://www.spencerscamera.com/

NikonCharlie Loc: Kansas USA

The OP question: What if I pull the low-pass filter from my Canon M5 camera?
You yourself have no business removing it, it's not simple. But having it removed by a qualified professional is an acceptable idea. Sharpness can improve.
Contact KolaiVision or LifePixel for this removal, they do it correctly.

DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona

I am sorry to see this posting caused any animosity, as all I was looking for was some insight. A couple of folks need to relax a little.

Thanks to all of you who wrote on the subject. I think I'll keep my M5 just the way it is.

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

DavidPhares wrote:

I am sorry to see this posting caused any animosity, as all I was looking for was some insight. A couple of folks need to relax a little.

Thanks to all of you who wrote on the subject. I think I'll keep my M5 just the way it is.

Fasten your seat belts. This won't be the last you'll read of such exchanges. Yes, I agree, keep the M5 the way it is. It will probably cost about $200+ to remove it professionally. Don't attempt to do it yourself. Use that money towards a new lens. Or accessories.

camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.

I wish to clarify something, not all Olympus Pen cameras lack a low pass filter. As a matter of fact, I do not know of any Olympus Pen that is not fitted with the filter. I know the OM-DE 1 has no filter but I am not familiar with those other cameras. My EP-5 and EPL-1 do have the filter. Images when shooting JPEG come out very sharp when straight out of camera.
I have no experience with cameras without the filter but a filter in my experience has not been deleterious to the images with modern cameras. I have to assume they have a thin low pass filter. With Olympus cameras even when sharpness is set to zero JPEG images come sharp straight out of camera.
In your case it could be a great idea to contact Canon and ask them the question you are asking here. They manufacture your camera and for sure they have the best answer for you.

sathca Loc: Narragansett Rhode Island

Calling someone stupid on here is akin to road rage; with the protection of their car people do and say things they wouldn't ordinarily say or do if face to face. If this were a club where we met face to face would you call someone stupid for misunderstanding you or missing the point? If you did I think most members would identify you as rude and callous, a jerk. Oops, I'm sorry did I just say something I wouldn't ordinarily say right to your face?! No, if you did something like that in a group meeting I would call you out. No one has the credentials to label someone "stupid". No two people think alike, at the same pace or from the same perspective. Some of the worlds most accomplished people are dyslexic! They might have misread your statement ( which I don't even recall because once you say "stupid" it's the only thing I remember about you )

jsenear Loc: Hopkins, MN.

Architect1776 wrote:

Exactly what I said. Try reading before being stupid.
Canon can do without, actually it has some cancelling thing. The comment I was referring to was Canon does not do it but the 5DSR is the exception.
Before you go off read the response.

MT Shooter just set you straight. Perhaps you should learn how to write a sentence instead of calling people stupid and chastising them for the appropriate comments they make about your poorly written sentence.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

DavidPhares wrote:

I have read where the Olympus Pen cameras shoot exceptionally sharp images due to not having the low-pass (AA) filters installed in their cameras. I have several questions:

(1) if that is the case then why do other (Canon, Nikon, etc) camera makers install these filters in their cameras?

And

(2) What would be the result if I had the filter removed from my recently purchased Canon M5 camera?

Any help would be appreciated.

David

Most camera's with bypass filters are designed to take photo's with the filter in place. It's like taking the muffler off your car, yes, you can do it but the result is not what experts would recommend.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Architect1776 wrote:

It does not. I know what I wrote so crawl back into your miserable cave.

Be civil Architect. You did say "Canon does not need them. See the 5DSR they choose to put them on. Why? I have no idea.

I'm sure that MT saw what you wrote and commented on your wording. If you had said "Canon doesn't need them otherwise the 5DSR would have one." Then you'd be golden, but look at what you said.