Help needed for Moon shots over landscape at dawn or dusk
Oct 21, 2011 11:44:16 #
Oct 21, 2011 11:45:09 #
Try going out the night before the actual full moon, the sun will still be up in the West and the moon will be up in the East. This means that both the land and moon will be lit and should allow for an exposure that gives detail in both. I also think trying HDR for this would give you more latitude and ability to play with and maximize your image.
Oct 21, 2011 11:59:06 #
nelsonauge
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
I think this is perhaps Ansel Adams greatest shots.
While at Brooks I had the pleasure of seeing a lecture by John Sexton- a former Adams assistant and printing student.
He showed slides of a "natural" test print made from this negative, and believe me, it is VERY different from Adam's final, very famous print.
I point is that images have almost always been manipulated- whether in the darkroom or in Photoshop. I know I am probably opening this old can of worms again, but I have seen too many great old school photographers being left behind and bitter with the headlong rush of digital photography in the last 15 years or so.
Yes, there is a lot of PS junk out there, and if you are a photojournalist please disregard.
I believe that great images out of camera can be improved and
embellished upon by an artistic, careful retoucher.
While at Brooks I had the pleasure of seeing a lecture by John Sexton- a former Adams assistant and printing student.
He showed slides of a "natural" test print made from this negative, and believe me, it is VERY different from Adam's final, very famous print.
I point is that images have almost always been manipulated- whether in the darkroom or in Photoshop. I know I am probably opening this old can of worms again, but I have seen too many great old school photographers being left behind and bitter with the headlong rush of digital photography in the last 15 years or so.
Yes, there is a lot of PS junk out there, and if you are a photojournalist please disregard.
I believe that great images out of camera can be improved and
embellished upon by an artistic, careful retoucher.
Oct 21, 2011 12:29:25 #
I have tried off-and-on to shoot the moon unsuccessfully. So I'm feeling your pain. Other than that, I really have nothing to add to this thread, except, thanks for asking the question and I will keep an eye on this thread.
rs
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Oct 21, 2011 13:25:55 #
Film Rocks! But you can get a digital back for your RB for a few coins!
henrycrafter wrote:
You probobly wont like this answer but my best results have been with my Mamiya rb67-ASA 800 film- and my 360mm lens.
Every time I use my digital the results are not satisfactory.
However I am just a prejudiced old film shooter.
Every time I use my digital the results are not satisfactory.
However I am just a prejudiced old film shooter.
Oct 21, 2011 13:54:01 #
PhotoArtsLA: I really like the work on your photo. Great effect! Thanks for showing it.
Oct 21, 2011 14:09:55 #
silver
Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
quirkel wrote:
I am really interested in how to photograph the moon over a landscape at dusk or dawn so that the details of the moon actually show up. Every effort i have made just shows the moon as a big blob in the sky. I really want that detail of the moon to show, while also capturing everything else clearly and in focus. I want to be sure to capture the sky correctly too.
Any help with advice and settings would be super appreciated!!
Thank you!!!
Any help with advice and settings would be super appreciated!!
Thank you!!!
Here is a shot that I did last week of the full moon rising over Mono Lake in California. I used a 180mm lens and I bracketed the shot and I chose the best exposure. I did nothing in Photoshop other then sharpen the image a bit. Technical specks dont matter because I bracketed the shot. The focusing point was at the furthest piece of land in the image and that gave me infinity focus. I remember that the F stop I used was F8. There is no one setting that can guarantee a moonrise shot, you have to play with it a bit. Digital is great for this because you have an immediate viewing on what you have on the lcd. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one thing in order to gat another. The conditions were just right for this particular image.
Oct 21, 2011 17:43:30 #
Isn't it interesting how nothing from Hollywood is real, but when someone with a DSLR enhances a picture many consider it dishonest?
Oct 21, 2011 17:55:36 #
Douglas Downey wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it can only be attained in the computer after the fact. The landscape needs long exposure, the moon needs short exposure and that's why the image only exists in paintings.
It's possible, but as others have said, you have to make some sacrifices. Maybe the land will be a little underexposed, maybe the moon will be a little overexposed.
In Understanding Exposure, Bryan Peterson has an example on page 133. Done with film, not digital, and in one shot.
The attached image is a photo I took of the harvest moon. It's one shot. The land is a bit underexposed; I think it would have worked better if it wasn't so hazy. The moon wasn't visible until it was fairly high in the sky, and the sun was already pretty far below the horizon.
So I'd say it's possible, but it takes some planning. You have to choose the right time and place. Someplace with less pollution than I chose would be good. :-) Again, the night before the calendar says the moon will be full is best, and picking a night when the sun is setting and the moon is rising at almost the same time will also help.
f/22, 2 seconds, ISO 100
The lens was a 200mm with a 1.4 extender, so 280mm. You probably want around 300 mm or longer to pick up the details on the moon.
Oct 21, 2011 20:16:50 #
djmills wrote:
Isn't it interesting how nothing from Hollywood is real, but when someone with a DSLR enhances a picture many consider it dishonest?
Well said
Oct 21, 2011 21:38:55 #
randym77 wrote:
quote=pdwoodswood Why would one turn off the SI? ... (show quote)
Thank You very much, makes a lot of sense I use a tripod often for general photography and also macro. Another post suggested lock up the mirror for macro. Learned a lot today that will improve my work.
Thanks much,
david in NC
Oct 21, 2011 23:39:08 #
nelsonauge
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
too much- this is ridiculous. You must observe and attempt to make something look realistic. Not enough research on this one.
If it was easy, you did not do it right.
If it was easy, you did not do it right.
Oct 21, 2011 23:40:07 #
nelsonauge
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
Why do my comments always end up on the wrong image?
Just about done with this site.
Just about done with this site.
Oct 22, 2011 08:32:42 #
nelsonauge wrote:
Why do my comments always end up on the wrong image?
Just about done with this site.
Just about done with this site.
Nelson,
Sounds like 'operator error' to me ;-). Try using the 'quote reply' button at the bottom of the post you want to reply to, like I did on your post here.
Eric
Oct 22, 2011 09:12:48 #
Hello; A few months back I took a pic of the moon setting. It was just before dawn so it is hard to tell if it is setting or rising, lol! I know it doesn't sound very professional but I just pointed the camera and clicked the pic I wanted. I have included a copy of it I hope.
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