steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

My previous statement, about sinful people not being able to adopt the actions of Jesus. Did not say!, even sinful people may not have some social moral standards, but they are unable to stand up to the righteous requirements of God, only Jesus was able to do that.

Those who know Jesus as Lord and Savior, are accounted as righteous because of his sacrifice for them, as long as they abide in him. Otherwise!, they too become sinners in need of repentance. However back to social morals, these too are eroding away to nothing very fast!. Political correctness, has led the way to moral decay. And is not really correct!, but just an excuse to over look bad behavior.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

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Hi steve40

As you say, morals are eroding away. Most, if not all universities were started by Christians. When Govt. by grants etc. in effect took over and promoted atheism, they lost the basis of moral standards and today we are seeing the results.

Talking about 'political correctness' - looking at: Matthew 17:25-26 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

Today it is reverse - the children are taxed and the strangers go free. ( and get all kind of govt. handouts)

Abo

OK, I understand that the question is too difficult for you.

However you need to learn to admit; "I don't know".

It seems to be the default setting of peoples minds, to either, ignore the question they don't know the answer to (or the subject does does not
suit their agenda), usually by changing the subject like you do...
or come up with a bunch of horse feathers.

And Stan, how is is "Christianity reasonable? God, Information and Codes" "photography"... as you claim...
as if I dont know it's Stans attempt to change the subject again.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

Hi Abo,

1) Are you suggesting that being a Christian is NOT reasonable?? ( the word Christianity is used in ways totally different to what is implied in Acts 11:26)

2) re: I understand that the question is too difficult for you. However you need to learn to admit; "I don't know".

3) re: It seems to be the default setting of peoples minds, to either, ignore the question they don't know the answer to (or the subject does does not suit their agenda), usually by changing the subject like you do...

Ok,
Take # 1

a) Which question is too difficult for me??

b) No problem - there are many things that I do not know. Those 'things' that interest me, I study to understand.

Take # 2

a) What question have I ignored? ( I do not normally comment on a question that has already been answered)

b) What subject have I changed?

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NOTE: It may be my computer or the "Hog" editor - several times I have had to edit this to try and get rid of text/quotes from previous replies.

Abo

No, I am not suggesting Christianity is unreasonable.
You have tried to change the subject and avoided my questions
repeatedly:
The above is an attempt to change the subject.

This is not "photography" as you claimed, the subject, (see title of the thread) is:
Is Christianity reasonable? God, Information and Codes

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

Read the thread again: It started with:

Quote: Not really!. Sinful people cannot adopt the practices of Jesus, and can't understand the need

I pointed out that in WW1 (and later) that some soldiers gave their life by laying on a grenade to save those around them.
And Quoted Jesus saying that there was no greater love than a person laying down their life for a friend. I gave a list of examples.
Then I quoted my Grandmother leading a medical team with the Allied Troops into the Nazi death camps - and that even there, some german soldiers were risking their lives to do what they could to help. At that point - there was the danger of going into politics, and the politics of war, and I do not think that this has a place in Photography ( The Christian sig ).

If you wish, I have no problem continuing with the theme that a non-christian cannot adopt the practices of Jesus. I say that they can. (Just think about this before answering)

StanRP

Abo

You clearly inferred the subject is photography... However the subject is Christianity.
Time and again you ignore.

All the best Stan, goodbye.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

The title of the group is "Christian Photography Group" so " Photography " is already 'inferred'.

Erdos2 Loc: Vancouver, WA

I would say that it is more than "inferred". Also, the "Welcome" message pretty clearly says what the topics in this forum should be about and not about.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

Hi Erdos2,

True: Here it is:

Christian Photography Group
We are dedicated to using photography to glorify Jesus. We will share photographs and experiences and show fellowship towards each other. Managed by sinatraman.


Cheers,

StanRP

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

as we advance, our beliefs get more complicated, but not necessacarily better.
1 in the beginning God was up there, and we hoped he would help us.
2 then we had to worship and sacrifice to him.
3 then we conjured up a bunch of laws he wanted us to follow.
4 then we had to have a purpose, making it from birth to death and passing on life and knowledge to our decendants wasn't enough.
5 then we just had to know the mind of God so that we use every jot and tiddle to control our lives.

One problem to start with: the words "our beliefs ". You do not know what I believe - so how can you include with yours in these five points and come to a conclusion in item 5 that represents me?

A few differences:

1) For me, God was NOT 'up there' - God was right here with me and was and still is helping.

2) For Christians - sacrifice is to use their resources to help others. Is that a BAD thing?

3) The laws, that I assume are what are refereed to as the "Ten Commandments" have been the basis of law in most civilized countries. That they are a sound basis is shown by the crime and problems that occur when they are absent.

4) The "wasn't enough." is not defined so nothing to comment on,

5) The 'Mind of God' is clearly described in the NT - John 13:34 There are no "jot and tiddle's"

As far as I know, this has not changed over the past 2000 years or so.

Cheers,

StanRP