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Jun 23, 2016 01:25:16   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Simplify the background. Pose the model in a less awkward stance. Dress her in a less-busy outfit. Have her wear a smile.

You may wish also to read up on doing portraiture in photography.

You are fortunate to have a friend who will pose for you.

Yes, Admin likely will move this topic elsewhere.

Good luck.
Day.Old.Pizza wrote:
I have an interest in portrait photography. I found a friend who would pose and now I would like some opinions on composition, lighting, really any thing pertaining to making this a better photograph. I don't have a studio; this was shot in the basement where I work, because I like the light and background. I did the best I could with the software I have to remove two tattoos from her arms.

Keep your comments constructive as much as possible. Have fun! - Pat

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Jun 23, 2016 01:28:18   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Some females pose naturally in a way flattering to them. They seem more relaxed when they do their own poses. Give that a try, too.
Day.Old.Pizza wrote:
The woman posing for me is a friend, not a model. I don't know about the ins and outs of posing a model either, but I'm learning. If it looks good to me I'll take the shot. Her veins protrude normally. She is very skinny. I'll take the leg positioning under advisement.
As to anything "poking out"...she chose what dress to wear and what not to wear beneath it. You probably wouldn't appreciate some of the silhouettes she wanted taken.

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Jun 23, 2016 03:06:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Day.Old.Pizza wrote:
The woman posing for me is a friend, not a model. I don't know about the ins and outs of posing a model either, but I'm learning. If it looks good to me I'll take the shot. Her veins protrude normally. She is very skinny. I'll take the leg positioning under advisement.
As to anything "poking out"...she chose what dress to wear and what not to wear beneath it. You probably wouldn't appreciate some of the silhouettes she wanted taken.


Pizza, hey, that's a very beautiful shot of a very beautiful woman! Could it be improved, sure, but you did a very nice job for one of your first sessions. As for "poking out", there is very little more sexy than a model with her high beams on!! I applaud her sensuality.
I did a shoot last week and my Model insisted that we use a fan on her so she would look consistent...., I learned something too.
As for lighting, you don't need additional light, go to the 99 cent store and get a few pieces of white/black foam core and proped on something can be used to reflect or dodge light to control it.
Pizza, Goggle "Model Mayhem", and you can look at as many models and photographers as you like to get ideas for what is being done with posing and the kinds of locations and lighting that are being used. It could be a very good learning experience. You could refer your model to it also. She could also learn and both of you could get inspiration from it. The kinds of shots that inspire us are called "inspo shots" or just inspos!
Check out the new and very fledgling, "boudoir" section here on the Hog. A few of us are posting there. Check it out. I like your work!!
SS

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Jun 23, 2016 06:18:12   #
Day.Old.Pizza Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
klouis wrote:
Hi Patrick,

The internet (especially Youtube) has lots of tips & lessons on all kinds of photography. Having said this, you with a camera in hand can be called a creative director. What appeals to you, may not appeal to another. Don't worry too much about the 'opinion of others' if you are happy or satisfied with your end results. We are all human & we will always have our opinion whether good or bad.

However, we can offer you suggestions which should ALWAYS be taken with a pinch of salt.

I was fortunate to train in advanced fashion photography & lighting techniques under Lindsay Adler (fashion photographer from NY) as I love trying out different types of photography. I am fairly good at it, but I am happier shooting wildlife & sports (as it enjoy them both).

First thing that we learned was 'how to pose'. If we as photographers dont know how to pose, our subjects (unless pro models) would probably not know what they were doing.

There is no right or wrong in your photograph, but I would have done the following differently;

1) Lighting - I would use an off camera flash. This would give me fair amount of control in the direction of light.

2) Aperture: I would NOT shoot wide open unless I want to blur everything out except the point of focus. Having said that, f4 to 5 is usually ideal if you are using a flash. This would help sharpen the subject & also give more contrast to the background (make it darker, but not blur it). If i keep the same settings as you have done, it would be for a portrait of her face (only), but the eyes would need to be in the same plain to stay in focus.

3) Posing: I wouldnt pose her like that. We need to realise that every woman wants to look beautiful / attractive. If you find that you can improve her pose, just show her how to do it. I wouldnt pose a woman square to the camera (as pointed out by someone else too)
A) I would lower her leading shoulder (left as per her body direction) & separate it from the chin. Women look better with an outstretched neck (not strained) as it gives them an elegant look.
B) I would get her to bend her leading leg slightly in front & get her to put her hand on her thigh.
C) I would get her to put her right hand on her hip with the fingers showing slightly in front & get her to arch her back a bit while pointing her elbow outwards instead of sticking to her body. This would help make her body a bit flattering.
D) I would position her a little more to the right so that her fingers dont blend with the background. The orange/ red brick wall could give her fingers a little contrast when compared to the brown wood.
E) Surroundings are critical while taking images & every photographer needs to be aware of this. I am NOT referring to the background, but the floor. I would NOT keep little pieces of wood or scrap lying around near her feet. The little items tend to merge with body parts & if cleared earlier saves you trouble with post processing.

Please note that this is what I would have done differently & I am not criticizing what you as an artist have done.

Keep trying different things & have fun. Everyday is a new learning experience for me too & I'm having fun.

Best regards,
Keyur
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Your comments are very helpful and I appreciate the thought and time you put into them. We are planning another session and will try apply some of these suggestions, hopefully with improved results.

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Jun 23, 2016 06:59:03   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
Only my thoughts here so take them for what they are worth. :-)

1. Pose and light look nice
2. If she has tattoos, they should remain on her no matter how YOU feel about them. Unless SHE asked you to remove them.
3. I find the background too distracting...too many objects in there catching my eye.
4. Background looks too "dirty" for such a nicely dressed and made up model.

Again...just MY thoughts. Others will certainly disagree.


I totally agree with this. The brick wall makes a good background but the rest is too cluttered. It's a great photo.

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Jun 23, 2016 08:36:35   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
Day.Old.Pizza wrote:
I have an interest in portrait photography. I found a friend who would pose and now I would like some opinions on composition, lighting, really any thing pertaining to making this a better photograph. I don't have a studio; this was shot in the basement where I work, because I like the light and background. I did the best I could with the software I have to remove two tattoos from her arms.

Keep your comments constructive as much as possible. Have fun! - Pat


I can understand your asking.
Here's a few suggestions I've leaned trying to do portrait photography:

1) Establish eye contact between the viewer and the subject.
2) Avoid annoying shapes and lines (such as the vertical lines of left side and the diagonal ones on the right side.
3) Eliminate anything that would compete with the subject.
4) indoor lighting without a nearby window can be tricky and requires the photographer to play around with different lighting combinations.
5) Try different portrait sizes: full body (as in your shot), head and shoulders, head only, top half of body, etc.,
6) Try different bodily poses: facing left or right, or off-center).
7) Provide sufficient space top and bottom, left and right, so the subject doesn't appear to be cramped in the frame

I'm sure you'll receive other suggestions, so thanks for the thread.

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Jun 23, 2016 08:49:19   #
Day.Old.Pizza Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
Nosaj wrote:
I can understand your asking.
Here's a few suggestions I've leaned trying to do portrait photography:

1) Establish eye contact between the viewer and the subject.
2) Avoid annoying shapes and lines (such as the vertical lines of left side and the diagonal ones on the right side.
3) Eliminate anything that would compete with the subject.
4) indoor lighting without a nearby window can be tricky and requires the photographer to play around with different lighting combinations.
5) Try different portrait sizes: full body (as in your shot), head and shoulders, head only, top half of body, etc.,
6) Try different bodily poses: facing left or right, or off-center).
7) Provide sufficient space top and bottom, left and right, so the subject doesn't appear to be cramped in the frame

I'm sure you'll receive other suggestions, so thanks for the thread.
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Thanks for the tips #5 & #6 they got me thinking. One thing I have noticed myself doing is taking my shots from one camera position. I need to move around and explore other angles, take more time. My tendency is to take a shot or 2 and move on. That's a bad habit I have to change that. Thanks!

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Jun 23, 2016 09:21:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
With due respect, I feel the background is too dirty for the clothing the model is wearing. It is also cluttered as evidenced in the piece of wood on the floor between her feet. There is also a piece of something that appears to be piercing her left foot. The area where the model is standing is also too busy and distracting. I don't care for her pose with her legs open as they are. It just doesn't strike me as a natural pose, at least in that environment. If the area was cleaned up to be not so distracting and the chimney was farther behind her and somewhat out of focus it might be turned into a good photo back drop.

Good luck with your photography,

Dennis

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Jun 23, 2016 09:40:44   #
Day.Old.Pizza Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
dennis2146 wrote:
With due respect, I feel the background is too dirty for the clothing the model is wearing. It is also cluttered as evidenced in the piece of wood on the floor between her feet. There is also a piece of something that appears to be piercing her left foot. The area where the model is standing is also too busy and distracting. I don't care for her pose with her legs open as they are. It just doesn't strike me as a natural pose, at least in that environment. If the area was cleaned up to be not so distracting and the chimney was farther behind her and somewhat out of focus it might be turned into a good photo back drop.

Good luck with your photography,

Dennis
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You are not alone in your opinion about her clothing choice and the condition of the location. She wore what she wore. Our location has, in my opinion, decent natural lighting, especially on the main floor. This was shot in the basement. I will see about downloading a shot in that attire in a more appropriate location.

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Jun 23, 2016 09:59:36   #
klouis
 
Good luck Patrick

Dont forget to have fun shooting. Get the model to relax & have fun too....... You are an artistic director, its your show

;)

Regards,
Keyur

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Jun 23, 2016 10:18:25   #
RWCRNC Loc: Pennsylvania
 
I agree with several of the comments that the background is too busy. Also, her face does not look in focus to me.

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Jun 23, 2016 10:26:09   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
My thoughts on this go along with those of others.
I am not thrilled by the posing but that is me. The light is great but the background is too busy and you want more attention on your subject than on the background unless you are shooting an environmental portrait where the subject and background compliment each other.
If this is a first attempt you are doing pretty good already.

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Jun 23, 2016 11:01:48   #
arousey Loc: Morrison, Colorago
 
There's been enough said on the background and her dress so I'll leave that alone.

2 things that stand out to me most: 1. Where here left foot is, it's so tight to the frame that it is a source of tension for me. It is the most tightly cropped part of the image and my eye keeps going to it. So much so that I didn't really even notice the nipple at first. Easy fix to drop the camera a bit and let the bottom have a bit more room. Right now it looks like she is standing on the bottom of the frame.
2. The pose, it looks to me more like she is getting ready to wind up, reach back and throw something. Just the visual I get. I agree that her torso is to square to the camera. Her left arm seems super tenseā€¦not relaxed giving more to the feeling of some kind of motion starting. You've heard the rest about the veins and what not.

As far as lighting, next time you are shooting there, if you have, or can get, a 6 foot piece of white foam core or some type of reflector you could try to send a little back into the shadow and it would help the exposure a bit. Right now it looks like the her left side is a bit hot/over exposed. (Might be the post processing but just my thought as it sits now). Also, not sure how the basement is set up, but maybe there is a way to block some of the light from hitting the background so it is mostly focused on her?? (Scrims) That would also help with some of the distraction I should think.

Knowing how hard it can be to work with people, and given it's early in your process of learning, not a bad effort. You're lucky to have friends to practice on!!!

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Jun 23, 2016 11:09:18   #
PaulR01 Loc: West Texas
 
Day.Old.Pizza wrote:
Thank you. Again, I am trying to make do with available light. I don't have any lighting options at this time other than flash. I think I could bump the exposure up a hair, but to my eye the colors all seem to fit. Throwing the background out of focus would have been a better option , but I was in a corner and couldn't back up. It was a trade off this time.


Stay at it! Your post has spurred the most interesting discussion in months on this site. Thank you for the post.

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Jun 23, 2016 12:53:02   #
Day.Old.Pizza Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
PaulR01 wrote:
Stay at it! Your post has spurred the most interesting discussion in months on this site. Thank you for the post.


Here are 2 more that answer some of the faults found in the first submission (separation, clarity), but which will no doubt come with plenty of their own issues.
Feel free to give your pros and cons. I am reading all responses.

I prefer the carriage shot, the car picture is sort of Ho-hum.

It took me 3 weeks to convince my friend to try doing this, but she must have enjoyed herself, because she wants to do it again!





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