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Jun 5, 2016 08:50:08   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
kd7eir wrote:
PROVE I'm a liar. I have not uttered one lie on this board. Words are cheap. FACTS are priceless.

If all you have to rebut an idea with is an ad hominem attack, you lost the race before you got out of the gate.




The true racists are those who see skin color in every argument and disagreement.......that would make YOU the racist!

If you want to truly understand the employment situation you need to look at two things: first, the workforce participation rate, and second, the percent of jobs that are part-time. It is certainly not racist to point out both are currently dismal.

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Jun 5, 2016 08:59:54   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Well, here's one example quickly found concerning the method used to calculate unemployment:

"Citing what it calls "an unprecedented rise" in long-term unemployment, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), beginning Saturday, will raise from two years to five years the upper limit on how long someone can be listed as having been jobless." Note this occurred in 2010.

Am I a racist since I found proof that our statement was incorrect?

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Jun 5, 2016 09:05:26   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
A reasonable reply to a political rant, for a change.

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Jun 5, 2016 09:08:27   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
robertjerl wrote:
I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to measure unemployment have always under gone changes large and small with constant tweaks. How ever the Bureau of Labor Statistics measure more than one type of unemployment and you can show a huge difference by the selection of which type(s) you select to report.

They generally do not count those who have given up on finding work or have taken part time employment, found a way to go on disability etc. and are thus not seeking employment on a regular basis. This would include those who ran out of benefits and no longer report to their local office, but have still not found work.

Today this group who are no longer seeking employment, and not included in the "normal" unemployment statistics is much larger than it has been in recent decades.

My wife is one of these. She lost her job as a surgical RN (she was OR Charge Nurse at a local medical center) and then no one else wanted to hire a late 50s OR nurse when younger ones are available at much lower pay rates in the LA Metro Area. The only chances she had were too far away, or even out of state. So she has been out of work for 3 years and is now 61, even less likely to get hired. We are lucky that I get one large pension from over 3 decades of teaching, a couple of small annuities I stashed away over the years, a small pension from having worked 13 years in the supermarket industry, a small (10%) disability from VA plus a bit under $400 a month SS from my time in retail food and the military. We have managed to get by and even keep our daughter in UCLA (graduates this summer). But our saving/emergency nest egg has gone from aprx $80,000 (that included an equity loan on our house) down to less than $17,000 total including our checking account and it is only the 4th so this includes all of this months payments that came in in the last few days. Jasmine will have to go far in debt for Med School now that she has finished pre-med. We can't afford to pay her way anymore, she will have to do it on loans, grants etc. Because my wife was still working and her last few years made $130K plus when Jasmine started pre-med she qualified for no grants or aid. Since my wife lost her job they have given Jasmine a "middle class" scholarship of about $500 a quarter. Student health insurance is more than that per quarter.

This is from the Huffinton Post Business department. Not a radical right wing racist group is it? But in the article the author does reference both right and left wing sources as well as the man who used to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics (who is himself a conservative).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/unemployment-rate-wrong_n_3619152.html
I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to meas... (show quote)


For a change, a reasonable reply to a political rant. Thanks, Robert.

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Jun 5, 2016 10:12:40   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
kd7eir wrote:
I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like "We're not actually at 5% unemployment, that number excludes those who've given up looking and hides underemployed numbers"

We are using the SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY to determine unemployment that has been used for DECADES. The SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when Ford was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when Carter was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when when Reagan was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when when George H. W. Bush was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when Clinton was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when George W Bush was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that is used while Obama is president.


The only difference between Obama and all those other six presidents is the color of his skin, so I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS IS NOT RACISM.
I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like... (show quote)


The reported unemployment figures are only one of several official ways to report "unemployment."
The one I like best is the Labor Force Participation Rate; it is a calculation of the available labor force that is actually employed.
Under Obama, this rate is the lowest it's been in a very long time, and it has absolutely nothing to do with his skin color.

The rate used by the Administration only counts those who are actively seeking employment, as counted by the government. The vast majority of those are on unemployment. If we remember our recent history, unemployment benefits were extended to unprecedented lengths, and as more and more went on unemployment, the rate went up. Now, as those benefits have expired, those who were using them dropped off the rolls, and are no longer counted. They are unemployed, just not "officially" unemployed, so the unemployment rate plummets, while employment numbers remain stagnant.
Again, Obama's skin color is just not a factor.

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Jun 5, 2016 10:59:19   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Liars can figure and figures can lie or how to lie with statistics.

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