Not so subtle r****m: I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like "We're not actually at 5% unemployment, that number excludes those who've given up looking and hides...

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like "We're not actually at 5% unemployment, that number excludes those who've given up looking and hides underemployed numbers"

We are using the SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY to determine unemployment that has been used for DECADES. The SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when Ford was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when Carter was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when when Reagan was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when when George H. W. Bush was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when Clinton was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that was used when George W Bush was president, SAME EXACT METHODOLOGY that is used while Obama is president.

The only difference between Obama and all those other six presidents is the color of his skin, so I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS IS NOT R****M.

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

kd7eir wrote:

I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like... (show quote)

You are really such a liar. You must get alot of practice at it.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

ken hubert wrote:

You are really such a liar. You must get alot of practice at it.

PROVE I'm a liar. I have not uttered one lie on this board. Words are cheap. FACTS are priceless.

If all you have to rebut an idea with is an ad hominem attack, you lost the race before you got out of the gate.

nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca

It's called 'Blacktracking'
Once something becomes associated with Obama, it is not longer a valid policy, statistic or person.

kd7eir wrote:

I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like... (show quote)

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

kd7eir wrote:

I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like... (show quote)

I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to measure unemployment have always under gone changes large and small with constant tweaks. How ever the Bureau of Labor Statistics measure more than one type of unemployment and you can show a huge difference by the se******n of which type(s) you select to report.

They generally do not count those who have given up on finding work or have taken part time employment, found a way to go on disability etc. and are thus not seeking employment on a regular basis. This would include those who ran out of benefits and no longer report to their local office, but have still not found work.

Today this group who are no longer seeking employment, and not included in the "normal" unemployment statistics is much larger than it has been in recent decades.

My wife is one of these. She lost her job as a surgical RN (she was OR Charge Nurse at a local medical center) and then no one else wanted to hire a late 50s OR nurse when younger ones are available at much lower pay rates in the LA Metro Area. The only chances she had were too far away, or even out of state. So she has been out of work for 3 years and is now 61, even less likely to get hired. We are lucky that I get one large pension from over 3 decades of teaching, a couple of small annuities I stashed away over the years, a small pension from having worked 13 years in the supermarket industry, a small (10%) disability from VA plus a bit under $400 a month SS from my time in retail food and the military. We have managed to get by and even keep our daughter in UCLA (graduates this summer). But our saving/emergency nest egg has gone from aprx $80,000 (that included an equity loan on our house) down to less than $17,000 total including our checking account and it is only the 4th so this includes all of this months payments that came in in the last few days. Jasmine will have to go far in debt for Med School now that she has finished pre-med. We can't afford to pay her way anymore, she will have to do it on loans, grants etc. Because my wife was still working and her last few years made $130K plus when Jasmine started pre-med she qualified for no grants or aid. Since my wife lost her job they have given Jasmine a "middle class" scholarship of about $500 a quarter. Student health insurance is more than that per quarter.

This is from the Huffinton Post Business department. Not a radical right wing r****t group is it? But in the article the author does reference both right and left wing sources as well as the man who used to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics (who is himself a conservative).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/unemployment-rate-wrong_n_3619152.html

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

robertjerl wrote:

I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to measure unemployment have always under gone changes large and small with constant tweaks. How ever the Bureau of Labor Statistics measure more than one type of unemployment and you can show a huge difference by the se******n of which type(s) you select to report.

They generally do not count those who have given up on finding work or have taken part time employment, found a way to go on disability etc. and are thus not seeking employment on a regular basis. This would include those who ran out of benefits and no longer report to their local office, but have still not found work.

Today this group who are no longer seeking employment, and not included in the "normal" unemployment statistics is much larger than it has been in recent decades.

My wife is one of these. She lost her job as a surgical RN (she was OR Charge Nurse at a local medical center) and then no one else wanted to hire a late 50s OR nurse when younger ones are available at much lower pay rates in the LA Metro Area. The only chances she had were too far away, or even out of state. So she has been out of work for 3 years and is now 61, even less likely to get hired. We are lucky that I get one large pension from over 3 decades of teaching, a couple of small annuities I stashed away over the years, a small pension from having worked 13 years in the supermarket industry, a small (10%) disability from VA plus a bit under $400 a month SS from my time in retail food and the military. We have managed to get by and even keep our daughter in UCLA (graduates this summer). But our saving/emergency nest egg has gone from aprx $80,000 (that included an equity loan on our house) down to less than $17,000. Jasmine will have to go far in debt for Med School now that she has finished pre-med. We can't afford to pay her way anymore, she will have to do it on loans, grants etc. Because my wife was still working and her last few years made $130K plus when Jasmine started pre-med she qualified for no grants or aid. Since my wife lost her job they have given Jasmine a "middle class" scholarship of about $500 a quarter. Student health insurance is more than that per quarter.

This is from the Huffinton Post Business department. Not a radical right wing group is it? But in the article the author does reference both right and left wing sources as well as the man who used to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics who is himself a conservative.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/unemployment-rate-wrong_n_3619152.html

I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to meas... (show quote)

There are several methods, but the generally reported unemployment rates have NEVER included those other groups, so for people to suddenly insist on using those NOW is simply bull.

BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky

robertjerl wrote:

I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to measure unemployment have always under gone changes large and small with constant tweaks. How ever the Bureau of Labor Statistics measure more than one type of unemployment and you can show a huge difference by the se******n of which type(s) you select to report.

They generally do not count those who have given up on finding work or have taken part time employment, found a way to go on disability etc. and are thus not seeking employment on a regular basis. This would include those who ran out of benefits and no longer report to their local office, but have still not found work.

Today this group who are no longer seeking employment, and not included in the "normal" unemployment statistics is much larger than it has been in recent decades.

My wife is one of these. She lost her job as a surgical RN (she was OR Charge Nurse at a local medical center) and then no one else wanted to hire a late 50s OR nurse when younger ones are available at much lower pay rates in the LA Metro Area. The only chances she had were too far away, or even out of state. So she has been out of work for 3 years and is now 61, even less likely to get hired. We are lucky that I get one large pension from over 3 decades of teaching, a couple of small annuities I stashed away over the years, a small pension from having worked 13 years in the supermarket industry, a small (10%) disability from VA plus a bit under $400 a month SS from my time in retail food and the military. We have managed to get by and even keep our daughter in UCLA (graduates this summer). But our saving/emergency nest egg has gone from aprx $80,000 (that included an equity loan on our house) down to less than $17,000 total including our checking account and it is only the 4th so this includes all of this months payments that came in in the last few days. Jasmine will have to go far in debt for Med School now that she has finished pre-med. We can't afford to pay her way anymore, she will have to do it on loans, grants etc. Because my wife was still working and her last few years made $130K plus when Jasmine started pre-med she qualified for no grants or aid. Since my wife lost her job they have given Jasmine a "middle class" scholarship of about $500 a quarter. Student health insurance is more than that per quarter.

This is from the Huffinton Post Business department. Not a radical right wing r****t group is it? But in the article the author does reference both right and left wing sources as well as the man who used to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics (who is himself a conservative).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/unemployment-rate-wrong_n_3619152.html

I am afraid you are mistaken. The methods to meas... (show quote)

From your link;

"Though Hall now works for the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank at George Mason University partially funded by the billionaire Koch Brothers (Charles Koch sits on its board), he is not suggesting that the BLS is cooking the books, as Jack Welch and other conservatives have suggested"

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

kd7eir wrote:

There are several methods, but the generally reported unemployment rates have NEVER included those other groups, so for people to suddenly insist on using those NOW is simply bull.

The group is still unemployed and is still much bigger than it has been since before 1980. Just because they didn't count them in the past (helps make the unemployment figures look better-under both Dem and Rep administrations) doesn't mean they shouldn't have been counting them or shouldn't start doing so to make the figures more representative of the real situation.

ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California

I believe you are correct, but I would not waste any of my time trying to convince anybody here. These old dogs are not interested in learning any new tricks, besides we are all comfortable in our beliefs. If it was your intent to irritate them, then I applaud you... lol The people here that disagree with you h**e to hear from coherent opposition.

kd7eir wrote:

I am so tired of mental midgets making claims like... (show quote)

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

robertjerl wrote:

The group is still unemployed and is still much bigger than it has been since before 1980. Just because they didn't count them in the past (helps make the unemployment figures look better-under both Dem and Rep administrations) doesn't mean they shouldn't have been counting them or shouldn't start doing so to make the figures more representative of the real situation.

Bulls**t. They are only using those figures now to make Obama's SUCCESS look like a failure. Comparing apples to apples Obama completely turned around the job k*****g that happened under the previous Republican administration.

I will no longer engage you on this subject because you are abjectly incapable of admitting the reality of suddenly using an entirely different measure that ONLY serves to falsely discredit the great work that has been accomplished over the past seven years. You probably believe that the deficit has "exploded" under Obama, and that the stock market has crashed - both bald faced bulls**t lies spread by conservatives.

Further replies by you will be met by me with the silence that ignorance deserves.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

kd7eir wrote:

Bulls**t. They are only using those figures now to... (show quote)

Believe me, I will not count that as a bad thing.
I made it through this without a single cuss word or insult, how did you do?

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Well to be fair, here is two ways to lol at Obama's "Job creation", although we all know that NO Presidents can actual create any private sector jobs. Trump is the ONLY person that has actually created tens of thousands of private sector jobs of any Candidate that has ran for President this season including Obama.

"Did President Obama really create 14 million jobs?".....Maybe!

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/13/news/economy/obama-jobs-state-of-the-union/?iid=EL

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

robertjerl wrote:

Believe me, I will not count that as a bad thing.
I made it through this without a single cuss word or insult, how did you do?

Lol! I went through his past postings and saw what a nut job he is. I knew then that talking to him would be a waste of time and energy. In his mind he is the smartest, greatest, etc person in the world who is never wrong. In real life he is like a cousin of mine who has spent his life mouthing off and getting the s**t beat out of him.
Now he hides out here and mouths off thinking that he is safe from getting hurt.

dljen Loc: Central PA

There is r****m on these boards. With the exception of ken hubert, everyone posting so far is quite reasonable. You'll find that out in time, I believe you probably know about hubert now, you can put him on ignore to block out any statements he makes in your threads.

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

dljen wrote:

There is r****m on these boards. With the exception of ken hubert, everyone posting so far is quite reasonable. You'll find that out in time, I believe you probably know about hubert now, you can put him on ignore to block out any statements he makes in your threads.

Poor Dimwit Donna, the baby k**ler. Racing any trucks lately, Dimwit?