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Microsoft forced Windows 10 on my, B.Gates you owe me $160.
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May 24, 2016 07:00:58   #
FrumCA
 
BobU wrote:
FWIW, I support a fair number of both Macs and PCs. IMHO the Windows 10 debacle will be fondly remembered with Windows "Vista" and the interface change in Windows 8 that was quickly rolled back by windows 8.1. Currently I have a PC that has frozen in mid update and the entire hard drive is corrupted. (always do your backups). The rollback process has been less than transparent, judging by the % of folks I know that did not figure it out.

Windows 10 is also quite active in reporting quite a lot of data back to the mothership. Many of these functions can not be disabled, or if they are, become reenabled during routine "updates". If updated drivers are not available, some of your printers, scanners, etc may not be useable. Needless to say, I am not a fan of how this has rolled out.

For some reason, Microsoft seems to feel that rearranging the interface is no big deal. Many users have come to rely on knowing where things are. Perhaps it would be fitting that every Microsoft executive would have their homes and offices "rearranged" while they are gone. Hint.. Your toothbrushes are now located under the kitchen sink "where our focus groups decide they should really be". Have fun finding out where we relocated your underwear. :)
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May 24, 2016 07:05:49   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
blacks2 wrote:
I had a big unpleasant surprise, as I turned on my computer in the morning there was the sign “Welcome to Windows 10”. Uninvited and unknowingly to me it got uploaded overnight. So I tried to navigate but it was too confusing to my 87-year-old brain. I wanted my Windows7 back, so I contacted my geek and it cost me $160 to get what I had before. How can that be legal? My geek said it happens all the time and the only way to be safe is turn off the automatic updates. I wonder will B.Gates reimburse me? LOL
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I see articles just about every day explaining how to revert back to Win7 or 8. I'm happy with Win10.

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May 24, 2016 07:07:16   #
FrumCA
 
blacks2 wrote:
I had a big unpleasant surprise, as I turned on my computer in the morning there was the sign “Welcome to Windows 10”. Uninvited and unknowingly to me it got uploaded overnight. So I tried to navigate but it was too confusing to my 87-year-old brain. I wanted my Windows7 back, so I contacted my geek and it cost me $160 to get what I had before. How can that be legal? My geek said it happens all the time and the only way to be safe is turn off the automatic updates. I wonder will B.Gates reimburse me? LOL
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Sorry about your unexpected update. If you don't like the interface just change it to the Classic View and you'll be back to normal. No problemo. This of course doesn't eliminate the new Win 10 features or supposed 'spyware' it installed on your PC.

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May 24, 2016 07:50:49   #
Bob.J Loc: On The Move
 
From How-To-Geeks:
Never10: The Best and Easiest Way to Prevent Windows 10
In the 11 months since we first published this article, the Get Windows 10 (GWX) system has annoyed countless Windows 7 and 8.1 users, and in that time, Microsoft has maneuvered time and time again to get 10 installed on as many machines as possible. Often it has done this despite these users plainly not wanting this update, period.

So, what follows is what currently appears to be the absolute best way to do so, by using a small (81KB) freeware tool called Never10.

Here's the whole article: http://www.howtogeek.com/218856/how-do-you-disable-the-get-windows-10-icon-shown-in-the-notification-tray/


Never10 was developed by well-respected security researcher Steve Gibson, which means it’s trustworthy and contains no adware, viruses, or other assorted malware nastiness up its sleeve. Basically, it acts as a frontend for Microsoft’s hidden settings that prevent the Windows 10 upgrade.

Let’s dig in briefly and show you how Never10 operates. Firstly, here’s the infamous GWX icon in the system tray, which when right-clicked will give you various options to educate yourself about or simply upgrade to Windows 10.

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May 24, 2016 08:34:12   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Your geek is not a "Geek"!! He should not have charged you. Ask him why he did not tell you how to do the "revert back to Win 7"? It was one mouse click. Sorry you had the issue.
Mark

blacks2 wrote:
I had a big unpleasant surprise, as I turned on my computer in the morning there was the sign “Welcome to Windows 10”. Uninvited and unknowingly to me it got uploaded overnight. So I tried to navigate but it was too confusing to my 87-year-old brain. I wanted my Windows7 back, so I contacted my geek and it cost me $160 to get what I had before. How can that be legal? My geek said it happens all the time and the only way to be safe is turn off the automatic updates. I wonder will B.Gates reimburse me? LOL
I had a big unpleasant surprise, as I turned on my... (show quote)

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May 24, 2016 08:57:05   #
MIke Kenny
 
One of our cats started the upload the other day...walked across the keyboard I guess. My wife woke up and realized her computer was on and there was the welcome to Windows 10 page. She figured out how to back out of it.

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May 24, 2016 08:59:29   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
Bozsik wrote:
It doesn't upgrade unless you accidentally or unknowingly agreed to it and downloaded it. It works very well though. You should have given it a try. Not sure why it cost you 160 dollars. Your geek must have seen you coming. Gates had nothing to do with your mistake.


While you are correct that Windows 10 does not upgrade automatically, the problem is Microsoft's persistence. I have my Windows 7 and my Windows 8.1 set to download updates but I choose which to install. If you have this setting pay close attention to the updates. Although I have update KB3035583, which installs the option to upgrade, hidden, it has now shown up no less than 4 times in the latest updates.

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May 24, 2016 09:06:05   #
Cattreasure
 
My laptop updated to Win10. Still had to take the computer in to have some of the issues fixed. I was pretty determined that my desktop was going to remain Win7. I walked away for a couple of hours and found I now had Win10. I had no idea how that happened. Just found out on another thread. I was clicking the X to close the window which now tells it to upgrade.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-390859-1.html

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May 24, 2016 09:06:59   #
GTinSoCal Loc: Palmdale, CA
 
Now, this would be funny!

If they are anything like me, they just keep reaching in the same spot, regardless of what they get!

GT

BobU wrote:
FWIW, I support a fair number of both Macs and PCs. IMHO the Windows 10 debacle will be fondly remembered with Windows "Vista" and the interface change in Windows 8 that was quickly rolled back by windows 8.1. Currently I have a PC that has frozen in mid update and the entire hard drive is corrupted. (always do your backups). The rollback process has been less than transparent, judging by the % of folks I know that did not figure it out.

Windows 10 is also quite active in reporting quite a lot of data back to the mothership. Many of these functions can not be disabled, or if they are, become reenabled during routine "updates". If updated drivers are not available, some of your printers, scanners, etc may not be useable. Needless to say, I am not a fan of how this has rolled out.

For some reason, Microsoft seems to feel that rearranging the interface is no big deal. Many users have come to rely on knowing where things are. Perhaps it would be fitting that every Microsoft executive would have their homes and offices "rearranged" while they are gone. Hint.. Your toothbrushes are now located under the kitchen sink "where our focus groups decide they should really be". Have fun finding out where we relocated your underwear. :)
FWIW, I support a fair number of both Macs and PCs... (show quote)

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May 24, 2016 09:13:39   #
BobU Loc: Sarasota Florida
 
In February, Microsoft changed the windows 10 update status from "optional" to "recommended". This led to unattended and unrequested updates on systems that were set to receive update automatically and install and "recommended" updates.

That change of status started the surprise "wake up to windows 10 experiences", when users never directly consented to it. As the win 10 update started out as "optional", many people assumed it would remain optional, ( or at the least they would be given notice.) Some of them attempted to rectify the situation themselves before looking into how it could be reversed, in some cases eliminating any quick reversal options. This created many "service billing opportunities" for less than reputable computer techs. It wasn't pretty...

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May 24, 2016 09:14:15   #
MWojton Loc: Yardley, PA
 
It happened to me over the weekend. I got on the computer Sunday morning and was ready to yell at my kids for clicking on the upgrade accidentally but then heard similar stories from others about the auto upgrade.

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May 24, 2016 09:30:03   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
The same thing happened to my wife's laptop a couple of weeks ago. Everything's working quite well, nothing lost to our knowledge.

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May 24, 2016 09:49:51   #
1Feathercrest Loc: NEPA
 
For octogenaians like me, "automatic updates" means updates to the present system, not to a NEW system. I have two new computers that came with W 10 installed and for the life of me, I do NOT find it easier to navigate. After several months, my brain still cannot easily find some things on the computer that were only a click away on the older operating systems.

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May 24, 2016 10:03:51   #
mdfenton
 
As SVO84 said earlier: "I also had Win 10 automatically installed overnight. The next morning the End User License Agreement was displayed. I took the "decline" option and after a period of time Win 7 was again the operating system." This was my experience also. Very annoying.

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May 24, 2016 10:18:58   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
Ultimately, the user is responsible for knowing what they are installing on their computers. If you set updates to download and install automatically then you have ceded that task to Microsoft, which has stated that option will cause all recommended updates to be downloaded and installed. You DO have a choice in how updates are delivered and installed. Most people take the lazy way and set everything to automatic.

If a window pops up, the user is responsible for READING that window BEFORE taking any action on it. Click something without reading it first, that's YOUR FAULT. Clicking a window on a computer without reading it is the equivalent of entering a main roadway from a side street without looking for oncoming traffic.

Microsoft is wrong for presenting the Windows 10 upgrade in the manner they have chosen, no doubt about that.

What Microsoft should do is simply stop all support for Windows versions below Windows 10, and stop offering to upgrade those users. There is no reason to continue to support legacy versions of software. The architectural changes in software make it very difficult/expensive to continue patching older versions, however, Microsoft does not operate that way.

So many people here keep harping about "Switch to Mac!" "Apple will never treat you like Microsoft!"

Traditionally, Apple has patched only the OS X editions designated as "n" and "n-1" -- where "n" is the newest -- and discarded support for "n-2" either before the launch of "n" or immediately after. Under the formula, El Capitan will be "n", Yosemite "n-1" and Mavericks "n-2." This means that Mountain Lion will stop being supported. Mountain Lion received four years of support from Apple. Windows 8 was released in 2012, and has guaranteed support until 2018 - a full two years longer than Apple gave Mountain Lion support.

No one seems to complain about this when Apple does it, but let Microsoft do the same exact thing and people come out of the woodwork to bash them. Hypocrite much?

Microsoft will offer a minimum of 10 years of support for Business, Developer, and Desktop Operating System (consumer or business) Software Products. Mainstream Support for Business, Developer, and Desktop Operating Systems will be provided for 5 years or for 2 years after the successor product (N+1) is released, whichever is longer. Microsoft will also provide Extended Support for the 5 years following Mainstream support or for 2 years after the second successor product (N+2) is released, whichever is longer. Finally, most Business, Developer, and Desktop Operating System Software products will receive at least 10 years of online self-help support.

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