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Mar 15, 2016 06:47:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
blackest wrote:
They both seem insanely expensive $350 v $300 for what they are.

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Mar 15, 2016 06:48:31   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
OnDSnap wrote:
So I'm looking at a couple flash brackets to be able to rotate my camera while using flash at crowed events other than the Stoboframe , the type where when shooting vertical format and you need to flip the actual bracket to keep flash on top. Which I have a few I can't stand using... I was looking at a couple (links below)...but before pulling the trigger, any thoughts or other models/tpes to look at? Perhaps the wedding photographers have some suggestions... Thanks much for any suggestions.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1135401-REG/promediagear_bbgv2_pbx3_boomerang_verticalgrip_qr_for_cameras.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1135400-REG/promediagear_bbx_pbx3bd_boomerang_x_for_all.html
So I'm looking at a couple flash brackets to be ab... (show quote)

There may be something useful here.

http://www.google.com/search?q=diy+rotating+flash+bracket&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS625US625&oq=diy+rotating+flash+bracket&aqs=chrome..69i57.5895j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

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Mar 15, 2016 07:15:37   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
[quote=jerryc41]There may be something useful here.


Thanks Jerry, I'll take a look, I'm seriously thinking of just drawing up a shop drawing and making my own, being I do work for, have used and have access to a fully equipped computerized machine shop. Ya know, one of those weekend projects. :)

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Mar 15, 2016 08:02:04   #
19104 Loc: Philadelphia
 
[quote=OnDSnap]So I'm looking at a couple flash brackets to be able to rotate my camera while using flash at crowed events other than the Stoboframe , the type where when shooting vertical format and you need to flip the actual bracket to keep flash on top. Which I have a few I can't stand using... I was looking at a couple (links below)...but before pulling the trigger, any thoughts or other models/tpes to look at? Perhaps the wedding photographers have some suggestions... Thanks much for

In the before time when I was shooting weddings I always shot square negatives. And what we did was compose the shot how it wanted to be in the square and then printed it using a smaller part of the negative. So I was thinking why just just do the same thing. Use a wider zoom or maybe back up And shoot holding the camera the most comfortable way for you and then print it how best it looks to you. This makes for a smaller lighter easier to deal with rig.

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Mar 15, 2016 08:02:40   #
19104 Loc: Philadelphia
 
[quote=OnDSnap]So I'm looking at a couple flash brackets to be able to rotate my camera while using flash at crowed events other than the Stoboframe , the type where when shooting vertical format and you need to flip the actual bracket to keep flash on top. Which I have a few I can't stand using... I was looking at a couple (links below)...but before pulling the trigger, any thoughts or other models/tpes to look at? Perhaps the wedding photographers have some suggestions... Thanks much for

In the before time when I was shooting weddings I always shot square negatives. And what we did was compose the shot how it wanted to be in the square and then printed it using a smaller part of the negative. So I was thinking why just just do the same thing. Use a wider zoom or maybe back up And shoot holding the camera the most comfortable way for you and then print it how best out looks to you. This makes for a smaller lighter easier to deal with rig.

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Mar 15, 2016 08:19:14   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
davidrb wrote:
ReallyRightStuff has brackets in this category. Look and see if they are what you need. Good luck.


I am a big fan of RRS - generally makes flawless gear. But in my experience, the Custom Bracket Pro just blows away any of the RRS brackets. The CB bracket concept just works best for me - nothing to think about. Just rotate the camera that is in your hand. Wth the RRS, you need to press buttons and rotate arms.

I do own a RRS wedding bracket since it does fold down completely flat and I do use it when it is impractical to carry the CB. The only negative to the CB bracket is its inability to fold into something small enough to toss in a bag. It is bulky, but if you want simplicity and durability, it is hard to beat.

By the way, the RRS bracket that I mention requires that you have an L Bracket mounted on your camera body.

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Mar 15, 2016 08:23:15   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
[quote=OnDSnap]
jerryc41 wrote:
There may be something useful here.


Thanks Jerry, I'll take a look, I'm seriously thinking of just drawing up a shop drawing and making my own, being I do work for, have used and have access to a fully equipped computerized machine shop. Ya know, one of those weekend projects. :)

"Computerized machine shop" - roughly equivalent to "Free ticket to Heaven." :D

I see these guy using computer controlled cutting machines that can make all sorts of things out of a solid block of aluminum, and I start checking my credit cards to see how much is available. :D

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Mar 15, 2016 08:32:01   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
I wish that I could remember the different flash brackets that I have tried! Those with the "flash flip" seemed the perfect choice, but after a while the flash seemed to flip on its own (depending on how I was holding the camera). I tried the Custom Brackets QRS-H2, thinking that it would solve all of my problems. After using it for a while, I found that the attached handle was anything but comfortable - it was an irritant! Also, using the off camera attachment in the hot shoe left little room between it and the bracket when the camera was rotated to vertical. Attaching the camera to the mounting plate required more time that I would have liked if I had to go to my backup camera, so adding a quick release plate was out of the question. I went to the Pro-M bracket and have not looked back!

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Mar 15, 2016 08:33:35   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
In the before time when I was shooting weddings I always shot square negatives. And what we did was compose the shot how it wanted to be in the square and then printed it using a smaller part of the negative. So I was thinking why just just do the same thing. Use a wider zoom or maybe back up And shoot holding the camera the most comfortable way for you and then print it how best it looks to you. This makes for a smaller lighter easier to deal with rig.[/quote]

Whats the point of a rectangular format then? I used to do weddings also with a Mamiya and Hasselblad 2 1/4 format, and moved away from weddings when I had kids, (weekend time with kids became priority) Sold off all the 2 1/4 stuff and moved on to 35mm, for one thing, there are more composition possibilities using a rectangular format than square. (barring cropping). The thing is, I happen to for the most part always take vertical & horizontal shot for what I do and don't really need to spend more time with PP than absolutely necessary. If I'm asked do I have this in H or V format, I've got it without any PP. And why would I want to throw away pixels? Also I prefer or at the very least try to get it right in camera, both exposure and composition. I do understand what your saying, and I did the same as you did. Just not an avenue I wish to revisit.

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Mar 15, 2016 08:38:24   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
02Nomad wrote:
I wish that I could remember the different flash brackets that I have tried! Those with the "flash flip" seemed the perfect choice, but after a while the flash seemed to flip on its own (depending on how I was holding the camera). I tried the Custom Brackets QRS-H2, thinking that it would solve all of my problems. After using it for a while, I found that the attached handle was anything but comfortable - it was an irritant! Also, using the off camera attachment in the hot shoe left little room between it and the bracket when the camera was rotated to vertical. Attaching the camera to the mounting plate required more time that I would have liked if I had to go to my backup camera, so adding a quick release plate was out of the question. I went to the Pro-M bracket and have not looked back!
I wish that I could remember the different flash b... (show quote)


Thanks, I know what you mean about the flip bracket and having a mind of it's own...and to me they are very awkward and unbalanced. I was wondering just how tight it would be just looking at the pictures I see on line, why I was saying to Jerry, I may just design my own and make it, even if I have to purchase a quick release plate and design a bracket around it and my camera. No big deal...

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Mar 15, 2016 08:39:15   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
blackest wrote:
They both seem insanely expensive $350 v $300 for what they are.
I guess if people are paying for your pro services it may be worth it but...


You're right, they are insanely expensive! However, if you are shooting a wedding or event and you are attached to the camera for up to 8 or 10 hours and carrying that weight around, the expense becomes inconsequential.

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Mar 15, 2016 08:55:44   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
02Nomad wrote:
You're right, they are insanely expensive! However, if you are shooting a wedding or event and you are attached to the camera for up to 8 or 10 hours and carrying that weight around, the expense becomes inconsequential.


For sure....whats another pound when lugging f/2.8 lenses around.

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Mar 15, 2016 09:43:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Try this instead:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/743002-REG/Vello_CB_100_Quickdraw_Rotating_Flash_Bracket.html#customerReview

I have the original version of this exact same bracket that carried a name brand and cost six times more. It's been around for many years...

It is much less expensive, and much better for one simple reason: When you rotate the camera, you also rotate the flash, keeping the rectangular flashtube parallel to the rectangular sensor of the camera. It also keeps the flash directly above the lens at all times, whether the composition is horizontal or vertical. That drops the shadow behind the subject.

To do otherwise, as many brackets do, will use a horizontal beam of light to illuminate a vertical subject. That, of course, creates a correctly-exposed SQUARE PORTION of the subject, leaving top and bottom of frame underexposed pretty severely, in some instances.

I used to see this all the time in the lab where I worked. Someone would use a bracket that did not rotate the flash WITH the camera body, and their work (usually full-length portraits) would look awful — dark heads, dark feet, and bright mid-sections...

A combination that works particularly poorly is the Canon 580EX II flash with a Custom Brackets Digital PRO-M Camera Rotating Bracket Kit. The school portrait lab I worked for was also an equipment dealer. We put hundreds of these in the hands of our retail photographers, only to discover the issue mentioned above... LESSON LEARNED.

OnDSnap wrote:
So I'm looking at a couple flash brackets to be able to rotate my camera while using flash at crowed events other than the Stoboframe , the type where when shooting vertical format and you need to flip the actual bracket to keep flash on top. Which I have a few I can't stand using... I was looking at a couple (links below)...but before pulling the trigger, any thoughts or other models/tpes to look at? Perhaps the wedding photographers have some suggestions... Thanks much for any suggestions.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1135401-REG/promediagear_bbgv2_pbx3_boomerang_verticalgrip_qr_for_cameras.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1135400-REG/promediagear_bbx_pbx3bd_boomerang_x_for_all.html
So I'm looking at a couple flash brackets to be ab... (show quote)

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Mar 15, 2016 10:38:49   #
irish17 Loc: Paris, Ontario, Canada
 
I shoot with a Nikon D750 with battery grip, 24-70mm and use a Custom Brackets Pro E, works perfectly. With this set up you will have to adjust the mounting plate to accommodate the battery grip then it will function very well.

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Mar 15, 2016 10:43:04   #
mrtobin Loc: North East Ohio
 
OnDSnap,
I have the boomerang bracket for non battery griped camera, canon 5d and 7d.

I find that it is the most elegant solution for a flip bracket that I have ever used.

However, it is over priced (but so are RRS products). You would think for the price they would let you choose a custom plate instead of just the universal one. Also, the bottom plate DOES block the battery door and I can find no way to store the hex key on board as advertised. With that said, I do not regret the purchase.

ProMedia Gear has a web site with video expounding the virtues of the boomerang bracket if you want to check it out.

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