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Mar 4, 2016 12:42:54   #
chazz4623 Loc: Prairieville, La
 
Mark7829 wrote:
Not true - wishful thinking, mis-directed efforts - Photography is all about IQ, nothing else... Bells and whistles - not a big deal. Many think it is the camera and some fools think it is all bout the camera when in fact it is the lease important. Composition, light and story element trump mm, f/ stop and just about anything else. Fools look at am image and ask what camera was used. Good photographers simply admire the elements (composition, light , etc). Beginners and nondescript photographers will take great interest in the topic and responses. I certainly won't --"UNWATCH"
Not true - wishful thinking, mis-directed efforts ... (show quote)


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Mar 4, 2016 12:53:49   #
Kuzano
 
Well for predictions???

Popular Science and Popular Mechanics in the fifties.

"A flying car in every driveway"

Well my driveway is populated with a late model SAAB (broken starter) and an old Chevy pickup that needs a new Carburetor.

Not one of any car I ever owned has been over one foot off the ground. Somebody on a tight budget will still be using old DSLR's 50 years from now, if the EMP's don't wipe out digital technology. We can still crack eggs over glass plates and put those old large format camera's to use. (if we still have egg laying birds around)

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Mar 4, 2016 12:55:58   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Mark7829 wrote:
Not true - wishful thinking, mis-directed efforts - Photography is all about IQ, nothing else... Bells and whistles - not a big deal. Many think it is the camera and some fools think it is all bout the camera when in fact it is the lease important. Composition, light and story element trump mm, f/ stop and just about anything else. Fools look at am image and ask what camera was used. Good photographers simply admire the elements (composition, light , etc). Beginners and nondescript photographers will take great interest in the topic and responses. I certainly won't --"UNWATCH"
Not true - wishful thinking, mis-directed efforts ... (show quote)

While your response was a little rough around the edges, I can't fault your logic, but of course mm, f/stops and other things are important tools which help good photographers achieve the results they envision. But, in the end without good composition and an understanding of how to use light, any image will fail regardless of exposure, the dynamic range, and the amount of shadow information that can be lifted from a top of the line sensor.

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Mar 4, 2016 13:02:41   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
Hacksaw wrote:
That may be true but I don't believe it will happen suddenly. When it does happen, I'm certain that smartphones although very capable, won't be the replacement.


I believe you are correct because of the mentality of the cellphone users. It is not a matter of quality for them but a matter of being easy. We are loaded with lazy people but it is the ones that want to excel that keep the world spinning. There is always be a market for quality and even the easy people will give in sometimes but it is not them but the other guy that has to do the quality thingy.

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Mar 4, 2016 13:05:48   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Hacksaw wrote:
That may be true but I don't believe it will happen suddenly. When it does happen, I'm certain that smartphones although very capable, won't be the replacement.


Smartphones will never have the capability to produce quality pictures that cameras have. They're OK if no one wants to print large pictures. You can't take pictures of animals or other things far away with a smartphone. You can't get close ups of flowers, insects, etc. with a smartphone. Smartphone are for people who want to send pics right away, not for serious photographers. However, there are DSLRs that have Wi-Fi and make it possible to send photos soon after they've been taken. To me, this seems to be the best of both worlds. You can send a pic right away, but you still have the quality that's needed for large prints.

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Mar 4, 2016 13:39:25   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I read an article last night suggesting that advanced DSLRs. like the Nikon D5 and Canon EOS-1DX II could have reached the end of they development. Jason Row, writing in Light Stalking, said that the DSLR is reaching the end of its development, while the mirrorless has a long way to go.


I just had to comment again. On a not so recent visit to Zion NP on observation of the people viewing there seemed to be two types. The older generations that seemed attached to their cellphone by an umbilical cord and the younger generation that had large DSLR and many lenses. Go figure that one.

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Mar 4, 2016 13:40:44   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Collie lover wrote:
Smartphones will never have the capability to produce quality pictures that cameras have. They're OK if no one wants to print large pictures. You can't take pictures of animals or other things far away with a smartphone. You can't get close ups of flowers, insects, etc. with a smartphone. Smartphone are for people who want to send pics right away, not for serious photographers. However, there are DSLRs that have Wi-Fi and make it possible to send photos soon after they've been taken. To me, this seems to be the best of both worlds. You can send a pic right away, but you still have the quality that's needed for large prints.
Smartphones will never have the capability to prod... (show quote)


I would never say never... there are outdoor travel photogs who are only carrying an IPhone on assignment now; not for all yet and many shortcoming, but you have to think in terms of photography for tommorrow.

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Mar 4, 2016 14:31:16   #
ldef Loc: Chicago
 
It is interesting to note that in the history of photography, bigger has been better. Yes of course there have been many advances in the cameras and the medium. But IQ is based on size, all other factors being equal (composition, exposure etc.). May not care to enlarge beyond a 5x7, but the FX is perceived to be better than DX, medium format over 35 mm, and so on.

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Mar 4, 2016 14:34:44   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Zone-System-Grandpa wrote:
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Good morning, Jerry...

Well, I will become 72 years of age this upcoming June and don't think that there will be enough years remaining for me to be concerned about my trusty Nikon dlsrs and my trusty old Canon EOS 5D MkII becoming extinct as did those scaly, toothy critters millions of years ago. :)

I understand that many people have adapted to cameras without mirrors and they really like them, however; for me, there is something about the weight, bulk, and the feel of a well made dslr with an OEM battery grip that cannot be replaced by today's new breed of mirror free cameras.

Keep up the great service that you provide for us all as I have always, totally enjoyed all of your postings !

~Doug~
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Mar 4, 2016 14:51:19   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
MrBob wrote:
I would never say never... there are outdoor travel photogs who are only carrying an IPhone on assignment now; not for all yet and many shortcoming, but you have to think in terms of photography for tomorrow.


But what kind of pictures are they getting? Can they get a picture of a wild animal with a smartphone without getting close to that animal? I don't think so.

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Mar 4, 2016 14:54:43   #
forjava Loc: Half Moon Bay, CA
 
Gazillion? I think Nikon has pushed out 95 million lenses since day 1.

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Mar 4, 2016 15:12:13   #
cboysen Loc: Homewood, IL
 
Amazing in that perhaps that we'll all be returning to the dark ages, i.e., film. Leica cameras are still around and selling, as well as other makes. Sometimes one gets tired of the rat race: buying the newest DSLR and enjoying it for a year or two but then yielding to the siren call to buy the next iteration with better "stuff", and so on ad infinitum. I admit to buying the Nikon F2, then F3, then F4, and finally the F5 until giving up the rat race. And, I see many of the UHHers following suit: how many cameras are enough? Gotta have the newest one! I know, the consumer is all important today, supplying some 40% of our GNP. But where do we go from here?

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Mar 4, 2016 15:20:11   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
forjava wrote:
Gazillion? I think Nikon has pushed out 95 million lenses since day 1.


Canon announced 100,000,000 EF lenses in April 2014. How many of the older FL/FD/FDn mount lenses I have no idea, but it's not really relevant since for most intents and purposes they can't be used easily on the EOS family cameras, although mirrorless can be an option for those...

Those lens families from Canon and Nikon alone are sufficient to keep the advanced DSLR market alive for a long time in addition to the facts that no matter how good mirrorless cameras are for many purposes they cannot yet equal the optical, shutter and autofocus capabilities of the most advanced DSLRs which even Sony seems to confirm, and also explains why both Canon and Nikon do not yet feel ready to replace DSLRs with mirrorless models. Canon execs have implied that there will be new mirrorless models and lenses coming later in 206 and in 2017. They have also admitted in a Japanese kind of way that they know their current mirrorless models are substandard and that they need to do better.

Personally, I'd like to see Canon put a lot of the Magic Lantern functionality into their DSLR products officially, which add quite a bit of mirrorless like capabilities to certain models.

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Mar 4, 2016 15:23:59   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
bkellyusa wrote:
Criticisms of any perceived technical shortcomings of mirrorless cameras died an ugly death with the release of the Sony A7rii. If despite the clear evidence that DSLR's are a dieing breed you still prefer a conventional DSLR that's fine but there's not any measurable technical reason to do so and in the near future no one in their right mind is going to pay more money just so they can have a "useless" mirror in their camera just cause all of the old timers say it's cool to do so. In the world of marketing almost nothing is harder to market than old technology.
Criticisms of any perceived technical shortcomings... (show quote)


That would be a compelling argument if it were true, but many informed sources seem to think that it isn't. The Sonys do seem to be excellent, but not yet good enough to push the DSLR market over edge in the way that the iPhone redefined the market. It's dependent upon so many different things.

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Mar 4, 2016 15:25:33   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
MrBob wrote:
I would never say never... there are outdoor travel photogs who are only carrying an IPhone on assignment now; not for all yet and many shortcoming, but you have to think in terms of photography for tommorrow.


Please name one PROFESSIONAL wildlife or travel photographer who uses a cell phone to photograph with and use for publication, enlighten me please.

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