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Feb 24, 2016 07:42:55   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
If you don't buy it I will.LOL That is a great buy and a great camera.

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Feb 24, 2016 07:44:10   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
If you don't buy it I will and give him 200$. That is a great buy and a great camera.

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Feb 24, 2016 08:42:45   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
If a FF is on your mind, consider a used 5D mk III.
I found a slightly used one for far less than the new price at my local dealer.
I traded one of my 50D's and an EFS lens which brought the price down a bit more.

I chose the 5D over the 6D for the features which includes the dual drive.

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Feb 24, 2016 09:01:52   #
qasas3251 Loc: Shippensburg, PA
 
I have a Canon 7D and love it. One suggestion I have is to get on You Tube. They have some pretty good videos on special features and setting it up and using it. Not sure if this will help or not. Also you may want to check out Amazons refurbished listings. I just bought a Canon 24-105 L series for $600. It came with 3 filters and 4 MACRO lenses, plus cleaning kit and mini tripod (I doubt this would hold the weight of my 7D though. I also got a 1 year Manufactures warranty. The point is do some home work and you may find a better deal. It's only going to cost a little time. By the way this lens turned out to be a part of a kit. So the lens is actually new they just can't sell it as new since it was returned.

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Feb 24, 2016 09:32:16   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Old Timer wrote:
I have opportunity to buy one with less than 7500 actuation for four hundred and fifty dollars. My quandary is that I have been thinking about a full frame but this sounds like to good a deal to pass up. The gentleman is local and retired as I am and he wanting a full frame also. We both agree that we do not need another body but try to justify by why not at our age. I do like to shoot wild life and birds some family and friends as well. I have three capable bodies already the newest being 60d. Your thoughts appreciated.
I have opportunity to buy one with less than 7500 ... (show quote)


First, for your purposes, you really don't need a full frame camera. In fact, for wildlife and birds, a crop sensor camera is a better choice in a lot of ways.

7D has essentially the same image capabilities as you 60D. Both use basically the same 18MP sensor. The 60D is actually slightly newer and it's images might seem a little sharper. But that's only because Canon kind of got carried away with the low-pass filter on the 7D, and they backed off on that a little with 60D. With a little more sharpening, the 7D can pretty much match the 60D image-for-image.

Besides that, in a lot of ways 7D is more camera than 60D. More advanced 19-point autofocus, faster frame rate, better build with more sealing against dust and moisture, 100% viewfinder, Micro Focus Adjust, more direct control of many functions and more customizability. 7500 clicks is just barely broken in... 7D is rated for 150,000 clicks. I have two that have taken 125,000 each and are still working great (60D is rated for 100,000 clicks).

Some things it lacks that 60D has are the articulated LCD screen and some of the more automated modes are less accessible. 7D is designed for more advanced photographers who most likely want to control their own camera. Instead of "Scene Modes" on the mode dial, it has user-definable custom modes, for example. The 7D's 19-point AF system is more complex and it can be a bit more challenging to learn to use well... but it's very capable for action shooting once you get accustomed to it. A slightly dumbed down version of the 7D's AF system is being used in the 70D and T6s/T6i models. 80D is getting an entirely new AF system (45-point). 7D Mark II got it's own unique 65-point AF system.

In a sense, 7D sort of replaced the 1D Mark IV as a crop sensor sports/action camera, at far lower price. Canon no longer makes an APS-H 1D series model. They've phased that out in favor of the higher specification APS-C models (7D-series) and full frame 1DX, now the recently announced 1DX Mark II.

Like 1D-series, 7D uses dual Digic 4 image processors and a discrete chip running the AF system (in comparison, your 60D uses a single Digic 4 processor for everything). 7D uses a shutter release that's inherited from 1D series, too... that makes for shorter shutter lag and is better sealed and more durable that 60/50/40D, which is good for sports/action/wildlife shooters.

You didn't mention what lenses you have with your current cameras, but any EF-S or crop only are fully usable on the 7D... would not be usable at all on a full frame camera.

Among FF cameras, the 6D that's sells for about $1250-1300 is very similar to 60D control layout and is the least expensive. It's 11-point AF system is similar to 60D's, except that the 6D's center AF point is able to focus in a bit lower light. However that's the FF camera's only cross-type AF-point. All 9 points in your 60D are cross type. So, the 6D's AF is both slightly less capable than your camera's in some respects, though it's a little more capable in others.

You'd have to spend around $2500 to get as good sports/action AF system in a full frame camera, with the 5D Mark III (61-point, but otherwise similar to 7D's or 7DII's). Even so, for a lot of sports action shooting - and especially wildlife and birds - a crop sensor camera still might be preferable for its "free 1.6X teleconverter" effect.

I'd say go for it. $400 is a really good price for a 7D. Do plan to spend some time learning to use the AF well, but there's now a lot of info online and some good books about it. Also be prepared that the 7D is larger and heavier than your 60D (in fact 7D and 7DII are the same size and weight as a full frame 5DII or 5DIII).

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Feb 24, 2016 11:28:19   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
If you really like action and bird or wildlife photography, then you'll really like the 7D over your other camera bodies. It shoots 8 frames per second, which is nice if you are really picky about things like wing position or capturing those really fast birds. With that 8fps, it has a very large buffer so that you can capture about 30 frames in a little over 3 seconds before the buffer is full and slows down (if you use fast CF cards). Comes in handy sometimes. I remember when I purchased my first DSLR, a T2i that shot 3fps, I thought it would be all I need. Wrong. It's buffer held 3 shots and was full so that's all you could get. Action gone!

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Feb 24, 2016 12:42:32   #
Jerry Coupe Loc: Kent, WA
 
Buy the 7D as it sounds like you really want it. Sell two of your other bodies, maybe keep the 60d and your net spend on the 7D might only be $100 +\- a bit.

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Feb 24, 2016 20:42:38   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
I agree entirely with Harold. In addition, you'll be losing the movable rear screen. Unless you treat your cameras harshly, I'd stay with the 60D.

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Feb 24, 2016 22:12:33   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
It not the camera body that make a sharp picture it the lens .
you can put a super sharp lens on a 99.00 vivatar and the same lens on a 4000.00 canon and see no differance i know the len will not mount on both cameras .I would save the cash .

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Feb 24, 2016 22:21:49   #
washy Loc: Dorset UK
 
Old Timer wrote:
I have opportunity to buy one with less than 7500 actuation for four hundred and fifty dollars. My quandary is that I have been thinking about a full frame but this sounds like to good a deal to pass up. The gentleman is local and retired as I am and he wanting a full frame also. We both agree that we do not need another body but try to justify by why not at our age. I do like to shoot wild life and birds some family and friends as well. I have three capable bodies already the newest being 60d. Your thoughts appreciated.
I have opportunity to buy one with less than 7500 ... (show quote)


I had the GAS for a 7dmk2 when I already had a 60D, life is to short, go for it. The extra focusing points are well worth it, sell the 60D if you don't want too many bodies . Enjoy

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Feb 24, 2016 23:54:53   #
jboy24 Loc: Downey Ca,
 
I have a 7D I use for wildlife and birds and love it, it is a hell of a camera beats the crap out of the 60D for action shots and not mention it has a metal body compared to the 60Ds plastic body. BUY IT at that price.

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