"Thats a GREAT photo" (Page 4): I'm not so certain it is always the images problem. I have tried posting images twice. The first came out very nice. Encouraged, I posted another image...

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

I'm not so certain it is always the images problem. I have tried posting images twice. The first came out very nice. Encouraged, I posted another image and it looked like crap. I reposted with the same result, it looked nothing like the actual file. I have posted on another site and never had this problem before.

I was told by several to do the "store original" thing, but who wants to make an 80+ mb image available to everyone to download. No one has suggested to me a way around that problem, so I'm not posting any more images at this time.

It may be possible to insert a watermark, or create a low res jpeg to substitute as the "original", I just don't know at this time.

alann wrote:

RANT ON: I normally don't say a whole lot. However, in the short time I have been here on UHH I have noticed a lot of photographers posting blurry, OOF shots and getting replies like the title of this thread. Why? If an experienced photographer wants to help an inexperienced photographer: Tell the truth. It is of no value to feed incorrect info and have someone think they are doing well and instead forming bad habits. RANT OFF ;)

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

alann wrote:

RANT ON: I normally don't say a whole lot. However, in the short time I have been here on UHH I have noticed a lot of photographers posting blurry, OOF shots and getting replies like the title of this thread. Why? If an experienced photographer wants to help an inexperienced photographer: Tell the truth. It is of no value to feed incorrect info and have someone think they are doing well and instead forming bad habits. RANT OFF ;)

When I have seen shots like you describe I remain silent. I think it will eventually dawn on the people who post them that their shots are not very sharp. They are making some mistake in the use of the camera and will overcome it. If they do not ask for evaluation I will not be the one to burst their bubble.

professorwheeze Loc: Maine, USA

Mac wrote:

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Some people, not only here, but also in the arena we call Life, confuse C and C to mean harsh bullying versus the "I would have done it differently" approach. If I want harsh bullying criticism, I'll watch Simon of America's got Talent tv show (which I don't)

My personal interpretation of C and C is "to praise in public and criticize in private"...always have...always will.

To that extent, if I can find something positive in anyone's image I will do so so others can see the value (albeit mine).

Then, I will use the "Private Message" option and then offer Ivory Pure 99 44/100%) constructive criticism. If warranted, I can become like Simon but always in private.

What's to gain from my POV? Mutual respect and understanding and a photographer for years to come.

Photo-Al Loc: Sonoma County, CA

I may be wrong, as I oft am, but I think the way someone asks a question can tip me off as to the type of response they are either expecting or looking for. Some people really don't want "the whole truth", some do. If my gut tells me they don't, I don't respond. On the other hand, I've seen some responses that were downright rude and uncalled for. So??? Everyone is different, and sometimes through no fault of your own, you are going to piss someone off. If you do that through simple, honest response with constructive criticism and helpful, instructive guidance for improvement, let it run off your back like a duck. If you do that because you are rude and destructively critical, you had it coming.

Oh ... and sometimes I don't respond because I'm on the learning end of the thread and I'm taking it all in. I think there is a LOT of good info on this forum, and a lot of great folks. There are some $*&(@(#^&!, too.

dtcracer

I am a novice photographer, and I enjoy polite constructive criticism. I do not think one has to be rude and hateful to be honest. I also don't think one should be praised for a bad photograph. There was a while I almost left this forum because there was a member on here that was always rude to others, especially novices. He was extremely discouraging to new photographers, lowering their self esteem with his comments given under the guise of criticism. No one was ever good enough for him, but when he would post a photo others thought was "crap" and someone criticized it, he would say HE wasn't here to be criticized, only to show his work. He gave the impression he thought he was the perfect photographer, and no one else should own a camera. That type of attitude and criticism should be unacceptable. Criticism can be given tactfully yet honestly without hurting someones self esteem or feelings.

3Stripes Loc: Rocester, UK

Just wanted to say Photo-Al that I love your pic! A real double take job, at first I thought it was just a shot of a dobberman but something wasnt right! A closer look and I literally laughed out loud!

Chris

tenbanshee Loc: Woodstock, IL

alann wrote:

RANT ON: I normally don't say a whole lot. However, in the short time I have been here on UHH I have noticed a lot of photographers posting blurry, OOF shots and getting replies like the title of this thread. Why? If an experienced photographer wants to help an inexperienced photographer: Tell the truth. It is of no value to feed incorrect info and have someone think they are doing well and instead forming bad habits. RANT OFF ;)

Maybe the person that say "Thats a GREAT photo" is someone like myself who looks at the photo and thinks it looks great, compared to my own photo's. Maybe I really like what they did. I am very new to this, so to me it looks great. Maybe I am telling that person the truth, in my eyes it looks great! Others might now like it. That is why some people will pay $1000's for a photo and other might not even what to buy it for $1. However if you feel that the photo could use some help, yes by all means say so, in a constructive way. I don't that people are not being honest about it, they just look at it differently. Or it could be that it is a GREAT photo compared to what they had been shooting. Stepping down from the box now. ;-)

dtcracer

Very good point. A good example would be in art. A version of "The Scream" just sold for $119.9 million dollars. I personally think its tacky and lacks talent, and I wouldn"t give 2 cents for it.

tenbanshee wrote:

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CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida

Harvey wrote:

WOW - I guess I must have missed those posts &... (show quote)

me too

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Photo-Al wrote:

I may be wrong, as I oft am, but I think the way s... (show quote)

I am in sympathy with the need for respect and compassion. Some on UHH are not. Particularly grating was one whose response to an unfortunate victim began with the preface, "It goes without saying that you're a novice."

CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida

I had a guy in one forum post a question about trying to find a remote release for his camera and a salesman told him there were none. I have the same camera and told him that first the salesman was wrong and told him I have a wireless remote and there were many many that he could find even on Ebay. He responded with ''I looked it up, it's not wireless and it's a piece of crap''. I responded with ''well if it's not wireless then I must have a magic one because I can stand across the yard and push the button and the shutter releases''. Imagine asking people a favor and when they offer help you tell them that their help isn't good enough or something like that? I mean, he had a problem finding a release and was told none were available and asking people for help, and you respond with help-in this case information, and he responds with an insult??? I felt like telling him to go F himself.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Mac wrote:

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I sort of feel like ole Nigel has personal problems.

Bartulius Loc: Bristol, Ct

I try to point out the good with the bad. I'm not just referring to photography; everywhere in life.
Neglect to point out the the things someone did right and they may overlook them next time or disregard them as being unnecessary.
I often skip C&C on pictures just because there are far more qualified people to improve the quality of the posting. I learn from what I read.
I say some people are too harsh in their criticism. I figure they either have a poor vocabulary or a superiority complex. Doesn't matter; one click and they are gone.
But, as my grandma used to say; "a good kick in the ass is still a step forward!"

GPappy Loc: Finally decided to plop down, Clover, S.C.

I thought comments were just another persons "opinion", whether it be "professional" or not. I have found that most people's "opinion" can be blown out of the water depending on what they were thinking at that moment, and is purely speculation on what they assume. And we all know what we get when you break assume down. (U and me behind an ass!)

Blake Loc: Alfred NY

jackm1943 wrote:

I'm not so certain it is always the images problem... (show quote)

Last week I posted a picture of a woodpecker on a tree in the woods . I tried to get the bird into focus. It didn't work the way I wanted it too over all the photo was good but the main object that I wanted to capture was not. I was very disappointed but, how can I or anyone learn if we don't try and ask questions and ask for input from those who have more expire.