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Jan 9, 2016 19:21:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MtnMan wrote:
Not bad. Nikons seem all the same. I do not believe P mode fusses with ISO unless you set auto ISO.


That's usually true.

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Jan 9, 2016 19:45:46   #
BebuLamar
 
MtnMan wrote:
The one thing that seems almost universal is that people do not RTFM. At least in regard to P mode.

I suspect most of them are bright enough to get it. But maybe there are more dim bulbs than I think.


It's not universal. I read my F manual. And yes I do read carefully about the P mode before using it. Each camera has a somewhat different P exposure chart (I don't know how to call it though).

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Jan 9, 2016 19:53:53   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
Peterff wrote:
Not sure if that was addressed to me, or others, but I'll try to give a response.

If I bought a Nikon, Sony or whatever I would expect it to be a little different, but after a bit of learning I'm sure it would be manageable.

However, one of the reasons I have stayed with Canon is that they have been consistent for so long. The terminology Canon uses was built upon the design principles of the AE-1 introduced in 1976, and the P, Av, Tv terminology introduced with the A-1 in 1978 I believe. Much of what my current Canon DSLR has by way of controls was introduced with the T90 in 1986. Sure there are some new features and functions, but they're all extensions of the same framework. That makes it much easier to absorb new technology for many people.

Tech does indeed change, and these days faster than ever. With websites and smart phone apps and the agile development methodologies change is indeed a constant, and it feels like the apps or websites change how they behave every few weeks, which I personally find unnecessary and annoying, but some developer thinks they can improve things.

Compared with that, a nomenclature that has been consistent for close on forty years and a lens system (EOS / EF) for close to thirty years is impressive to me. Nikon and Pentax also seem to do pretty well in that regard, but few others.
Not sure if that was addressed to me, or others, b... (show quote)

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Thanks Peter, my Dad (b. 1898) and Law-Professor and Judge, used o preach to me:
"Consistency is the Food of Perfection" AND "Be SURE to Demand ALL INFORMATION from ALL Sides in Every Debate/Question; ...Only THEN render your Decision."
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Peter THIS is a GREAT Help in understanding your appreciation of Canon.

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Jan 9, 2016 20:37:48   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
BebuLamar wrote:
It's not universal. I read my F manual. And yes I do read carefully about the P mode before using it. Each camera has a somewhat different P exposure chart (I don't know how to call it though).

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Thanks 'Bebu'...
I wish one (maybe Tony Northrup) of the EXPERTS who Review Cameras on You-Tube, would INCORPORATE into their 'UnBoxing' Videos, a Video-Section that Shows/Identifies the Button/Control/Menu-item or Any of the LETTERS identified by Mr. Burk (above), ...and THEN show the Actual-EFFECT-in-real-time in that Video. --- The way it's done NOW, the viewer merely learns that the Camera HAS something called 'xyz'; ...BUT, the poor guy or gal Never gets to KNOW 'What EFFECT that 'xyz' has on the REALISTIC-Acceptability of his IMAGE.
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Thanks for Listening to my Rant, Bebu ! ! !&#128515;

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Jan 9, 2016 20:56:32   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
MtnMan wrote:
Not bad. Nikons seem all the same. I do not believe P mode fusses with ISO unless you set auto ISO.

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Hi 'MtnMan'...
THANKS for your input!!!
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Sooooo, WHICH is the BEST 'Point & Shoot' Compact for under $750??? ;-)

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Jan 9, 2016 21:02:01   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
BebuLamar wrote:
It's not universal. I read my F manual. And yes I do read carefully about the P mode before using it. Each camera has a somewhat different P exposure chart (I don't know how to call it though).


Thus the "almost".

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Jan 9, 2016 21:28:44   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
philo wrote:
Just because you have a canon and then get another model the ball game starts again.

I guess the point that I was trying to make is.............with every new model the buttons are in different places and the menu setting change.
So even thou you may know your present model when you buy a new one there a things to learn. That is one of the reason you upgrade because the maker has made changes hopefully for the better.
If there are no changes why buy anything new.

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Jan 9, 2016 21:43:39   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
philo wrote:
I guess the point that I was trying to make is.............with every new model the buttons are in different places and the menu setting change.
So even thou you may know your present model when you buy a new one there a things to learn. That is one of the reason you upgrade because the maker has made changes hopefully for the better.
If there are no changes why buy anything new.

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Hmmmm...
Now THAT is Perfectly-LOGICAL&#8252;&#65039;&#128513; THANKS 'philo'&#128515;

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Jan 9, 2016 22:02:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Gpa-15 wrote:
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Thanks 'Bebu'...
I wish one (maybe Tony Northrup) of the EXPERTS who Review Cameras on You-Tube, would INCORPORATE into their 'UnBoxing' Videos, a Video-Section that Shows/Identifies the Button/Control/Menu-item or Any of the LETTERS identified by Mr. Burk (above), ...and THEN show the Actual-EFFECT-in-real-time in that Video. --- The way it's done NOW, the viewer merely learns that the Camera HAS something called 'xyz'; ...BUT, the poor guy or gal Never gets to KNOW 'What EFFECT that 'xyz' has on the REALISTIC-Acceptability of his IMAGE.
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Thanks for Listening to my Rant, Bebu ! ! !&#128515;
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Best advice I can give anyone here --- ever --- First, force yourself to read the camera manual while playing with your camera. Read every phreaking page of it! Next, find a subject in fixed lighting with lots of colors and details that DOES NOT MOVE. Then try every single control and menu setting on the camera, in isolation from all other settings! Include a note, IN each frame, indicating the setting being tested, and its exact value. Then put all these images into a reference folder. Carefully examine the effects.

I was lucky enough to be paid to do this for eight different camera bodies, so we could match their "looks" as closely as possible. It's a VERY worthwhile exercise and a huge learning opportunity.

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Jan 9, 2016 22:03:32   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
philo wrote:
I guess the point that I was trying to make is.............with every new model the buttons are in different places and the menu setting change.
So even thou you may know your present model when you buy a new one there a things to learn. That is one of the reason you upgrade because the maker has made changes hopefully for the better.
If there are no changes why buy anything new.
Because it works better.

I have an MILC Pentax Q-7 (released 2013) and a DSLR Pentax K-30 (released 2012). Even though they are significantly different cameras, their controls are very similar. From my perspective, that is very good, because I don't have to think about which camera I'm using before quickly making some adjustment. I hope the next generation of Pentax cameras, including the soon-to-be-announced FF camera, also has very similar controls. Lowering the learning curve is always an excellent plan.

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Jan 9, 2016 22:21:27   #
Paul D Loc: Rhode Island
 
I always put my camera in Program Mode (P) when I shut it off. If I have to hurry to get a shot off the P Mode will give me the best chance of getting a good photo when I'm in a hurry.

With adequate time, I will start in Aperture Priority unless I am shooting sports, then I use Shutter Priority.

The great thing about Program is you can make adjustments in aperture or shutter and use Exposure Compensation.

It should be called Safe Mode!!!

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Jan 9, 2016 23:56:18   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Paul D wrote:
I always put my camera in Program Mode (P) when I shut it off. If I have to hurry to get a shot off the P Mode will give me the best chance of getting a good photo when I'm in a hurry.

With adequate time, I will start in Aperture Priority unless I am shooting sports, then I use Shutter Priority.

The great thing about Program is you can make adjustments in aperture or shutter and use Exposure Compensation.

It should be called Safe Mode!!!


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Jan 10, 2016 02:58:20   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
John_F wrote:
The Sony a6000 has two auto modes: Intelligent and Superior+. The first is fancy auto and the later is fancy-dancy auto - they transform the camera to Point & Shoot for all practical purposes.The SCN mode is just a more restrictive P&S usage.


Once I have set up my Panasonic Gs for a photo, and having pressed the Go button, I press IA and press Go again. IA over-rules all my settings - when I turn it off the cameras revert to my settings. Biggest difference is likely to be point of focus, as I usually use centre point. When in M it gives me a quick safety factor in case I've screwed. :-)

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Jan 10, 2016 06:04:43   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
burkphoto wrote:
Best advice I can give anyone here --- ever --- First, force yourself to read the camera manual while playing with your camera. Read every phreaking page of it! Next, find a subject in fixed lighting with lots of colors and details that DOES NOT MOVE. Then try every single control and menu setting on the camera, in isolation from all other settings! Include a note, IN each frame, indicating the setting being tested, and its exact value. Then put all these images into a reference folder. Carefully examine the effects.

I was lucky enough to be paid to do this for eight different camera bodies, so we could match their "looks" as closely as possible. It's a VERY worthwhile exercise and a huge learning opportunity.
Best advice I can give anyone here --- ever --- Fi... (show quote)

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HI Mr. Burk...
First ...I fell asleep last night, Sorry for Late-Reply.
Second... THAT is Excellent and Logical Advice, THANKS.
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Soooo... Which 8 Brands/Models did you test ...and which was TRUEST to Your-Standard?
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See ya in church... Gpa BT

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Jan 10, 2016 06:11:55   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
Delderby wrote:
Once I have set up my Panasonic Gs for a photo, and having pressed the Go button, I press IA and press Go again. IA over-rules all my settings - when I turn it off the cameras revert to my settings. Biggest difference is likely to be point of focus, as I usually use centre point. When in M it gives me a quick safety factor in case I've screwed. :-)

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Hi 'Delderby'...
First ...I fell asleep last night, Sorry for Late-Reply
THANKS for That ...VERY Clever&#8252;&#65039;

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