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Apr 29, 2012 23:01:48   #
frederdane Loc: Orlando, FL
 
[quote=MIKE GALLAGHER]28 April 2012
Reading that PICASA is a great Photo Editing Programme I finally downloaded it today. The first hint that all was not right was that it went through my whole computer including 2 External Hard Drives and made an "Index" of every picture there is. That includes not only my photos but ANY PICTURE! I immediately tried to stop it and couldn't.

The download said that no photo would be moved from my files and that they were all safe

O.K. You Guys! "Guys" really is not sexist but refers to other humans. Even women use the term. Here, I am using it to kind of sum up what, perhaps, I have learned here today.

Mike: thanks for the posting. You generated, at last count, some eleven pages. Hope this doesn't make a twelfth. Also, check your anger before posting - might avoid some name calling you did not really want to go out there.

But, after all of these comments, from the terse to the wordy, I fail to see any reference to actual reviews of Picasa. So. I looked for some. Turns out, UTube again, has at least ten videos on it - some with references to other reviews. Then: there's a posting for the ten top photo editing programs(sorry, no "e" here Mike, even though I lived in Canada). Fiind it at: http://photo-editing-software.com. It does not include Picasa, only software that are offered for purchase. Always, it seems, with a thirty day trial period. It's a useful listing and includes the majors. I won't list them here - go to the Web site to see them - most of them with scattered mention throughout this thread.

Some responses included a "vote" including a "two thumbs up". I did't go through the listings myself to try and tabulate a vote, since maybe listing pros and cons is a better approach, along with giving it a rating, like Ebert, of stars. Be nice if would agree on a rating system of some kind. I respect Ebert's opionion on films and wish he could weigh in on photo editing software.

Reference to Faststone was given, with the opinion that is was "better" than Picasa. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but will.

I have tried and use: Lightroom 4, Adobe Photoshop Elements 10, Smart Photo Editor, Serif Photo Plus X4, and Picasa. I did have Gimp installed too, but deleted it without trying it out, since I thought the others served me well enough.

Some are better for some things, than others. I find, for example, the cropping feature in Picasa too limiting and will try it on one of the other programs, if I don't like the Picasa rendering. What I really appreciat in Picasa most of all though, is that it will display a whole file of work for you to review. With side-by-side, as well as other comparisons. On my recent trip to St.Augustine Beach where I was quite prolific, I found it extremely helpful to use Picasa at the end of the day to sort out the work while the shots were still relatively fresh in my mind. The listing of multiple images is like opening a freshly opened box of 35mm slides and spreading them out on a light table and louping the ones that appear most worthy. How great is it to have a laptop as out light table?

Another thing I learned today, and I almost posted the question here before looking on my own, is what the little landscape logo means next to shots in "My Pictures" along with the CR2 file designation. It's apparently Canon's way of indication a pic as a "Raw" image, as opposed to a "Jpeg". If I have that wrong, or incomplete, please help and clarify. That logo has bothered me for a while since I thought it was a camera error and I didn't even click on pic that had it assigned. Brainless idiot, indeed. Now I can appreciate the new DSLRS that take two cards; so one could send Jpegs to one, and Raw to the other.

I'll end this by attaching a recent photo (St. Augustine Beach at sunrise) that I boosted, cropped, and straightened in Picasa. I tried to sharpen too, but I really like it kind of fuzzy. Wanna do more with one of the other program(e)s? Be my guest.



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Apr 29, 2012 23:18:35   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
dupe4050 wrote:
I need to place my vote for Picasa. I have used it for years and no problem. Also use PSE10, LR, Nikon Capture, etc. Never a problem. Picasa is only searching for the location of your photos so it can help you find and edit them. The files themselves are not uploaded. Do not want to repeat others, but I think Picasa is being trashed unfairly.


I agree, Picassa is a great app. For the casual user who has neither the interest or the time (or understandably the patience) to learn the more advanced apps, Picassa is a wonder. My only complaint is that it finds all of those images when installed, it took me quite a while to weed through them.

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Apr 29, 2012 23:30:29   #
Bob.J Loc: On The Move
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
Bob.J wrote:
Thank you
Just spotted your new Avatar! How appropriate. Bravo!


And thanks again!
I respect you, and your work
Cheers Nikonian72
BJ

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Apr 29, 2012 23:44:14   #
dennis g
 
Mike,I understand your feeling as I want to be in control of my computer and am loathe to let it run doing what someone else wants even if I have not asked for it. That is, in part, why I'm a Linux user.

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Apr 29, 2012 23:50:03   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Mary1946 wrote:
What Mike said is true. Picasa downloads every picture from every source it can find when first downloaded. I've learned to live with that fact. For some reason it is set up to store all your pictures.
Click on the photo you want to work on. That will replace the previous photo in the workspace.


I sure do not like all of the MIS-INFORMATION about Picasa!!!
Picasa does NOT "download" pictures anywhere!!
When you install it, the program searches your drives and CREATES AN INDEX within Picasa for 'easy access' to them. ALL PICTURES STAY IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION!! Now, if you delete a picture from Picasa, you are going to delete it from its physical location and it will be gone. But close Picasa and open up any other photo program and the pictures are still in their ORIGINAL location unless you moved them.

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Apr 29, 2012 23:50:53   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
dennis g wrote:
Mike,I understand your feeling as I want to be in control of my computer and am loathe to let it run doing what someone else wants even if I have not asked for it. That is, in part, why I'm a Linux user.


Hey I'm not Mike but I'm sure glad to meet another one who has seen the light- I've used Ubuntu for 7 years and have never been sorry I switched, I can't imagine going back to Windows- expensive TORTURE! What distro you use? Are you a GIMPer?

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Apr 29, 2012 23:52:52   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
MIKE GALLAGHER wrote:
Wanda Krack wrote:
I use picasa for a website storage just for showing my pictures. I use other editing software, have already saved the originals, off the computer, and haven't encountered a problem. Are you-all talking about using picasa as an editing tool? This is concerning to me.


Yes. I've used Adobe PhotoDeluxe Business Edition 2 for about 10 years and it's been brilliant. Got a lot of pictures I really like, and all that without even having used layers or lassos. But now I'm on Windows 7 and win7 has deleted the ability for any Help files that were originally written in Word to be read on a win 7 Op System. And nothing can be done about it. So now that I want to find out how to use those facilities in PDBE2 the files are unreadable to me.

So now I'm looking for a programme that will work and Picasa keeps getting recommended. The problem with that is that everybody is an expert from my point of view until I start sussing a few names out. How do I know whether the advocate of a particular programme only takes photos of the kids for Gran, and uses a Box Brownie to do it?

Picasa has a lot of buttons with pretty pictures on them and all is made to look simple enough to those of us who are simple enough not to ask hard questions. Which is when I find out that they have no answers.

So yes - I wanted it for what it touts itself to be - an editing programme. Therein lieth my big blunder. I don't want the clouds to store my photos in. I've got outboard drives. And if I want to share my pictures and my life with the world there's Facebook and Lord knows what else. (Why does UHH spring to mind?)

So I'm in no frame of mind, the way things are at the moment, to let Picasa anywhere near my photos. Or yours!
quote=Wanda Krack I use picasa for a website stor... (show quote)


STOP SPREADING MIS-INFORMATION!
Picasa does NOT move pictures anywhere, it just creates an index!
You can edit them if you want to and they will stay in their original location!!!

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Apr 29, 2012 23:53:19   #
frederdane Loc: Orlando, FL
 
Bob.J wrote:
Nikonian72 wrote:
Bob.J wrote:
Thank you
Just spotted your new Avatar! How appropriate. Bravo!


And thanks again!
I respect you, and your work
Cheers Nikonian72
BJ


Appropriate? I disagree. Unless. Does BJ really want to convey the "Basinga" attitude on everything he posts?

If so, ridicule on, my son:

Here are some of the senses of its meaning according to Sheldonfan.com. ---

"What is the Origin of Sheldon Cooper's "Bazinga?"

Sheldon began using the term "bazinga" as a follow-up to jokes, pranks, and chuckle-filled "gotcha" situations just before the third season started.

Ever since, the curious interjection has taken its place among pranksters and Sheldon Cooper wordsmiths both online and off, sometimes merely for the fun of saying, "Bazinga!" (Go ahead, try it. We'll wait.)

More recently, interest in discovering the source for Sheldon's prankish term has started to swell and a variety of theories have bubbled up alongside. The question remains--what is the origin of Sheldon's "bazinga!"?

The Birth of Bazinga!

We've checked and re-checked and, so far as we can tell, "bazinga" was first used by Sheldon during "The Big Bang Theory's" season two episode, "The Monopolar Expedition." In fact, he uses it not just once but three times. Here is a quick review.
1.Making its grand appearance, Sheldon first comments on Leonard's white board by suggesting that something is wrong with his calculations. His infamous retort soon follows:

Sheldon: "You actually had it right in the first place. Once again, you've fallen for one of my classic pranks. Bazinga!"

2.Later, Leonard and Sheldon discuss Leonard's not-yet-blossomed relationship with Penny. The conversation goes:

Sheldon: "Leonard, you may be right. It appears Penny secretly wants you in her life in a very intimate and carnal fashion."
Leonard: "You really think so?"
Sheldon: "Of course not. Even in my sleep-deprived state I've managed to pull off one of my classic pranks. Bazinga!"

3.Finally, as Howard, Leonard, Rajesh, and Sheldon settle into their temporary arctic home, Sheldon falls into yet another sly mood by using the food supply to prank Leonard:

Sheldon: "Flash-frozen brown rice, not white?"
Leonard: (discovering no brown rice) "Uh, oh. Sorry."
Sheldon: "Not to worry, I hid it. Bazinga! ... "

Clearly, Sheldon uses the term as a stinging barb meant to impress his cleverness upon victims. Ridicule is the name of the game, in other words."

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Apr 29, 2012 23:54:18   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
donrent wrote:
"about using picasa as an editing tool? "
For me yes... It also would not let me use other editing programs to get pictures.... Wierd.... BUT, no mo...


Picasa will not prevent you from using other programs to edit, I use Picasa and still use PaintShopPro x4 to edit if Picasa can't do what I want.

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Apr 30, 2012 00:00:32   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
artistwally wrote:
Like camers and all else if you read the instructions first....
Picasa gives you the OPTION to select which photographs you want to relate to it, when you first open it.
If you click "all" then it find "all" the images on your PC.
Picasa only has thumbnails on it till you click on an image, your original files are still in "My Pictures" or whatever. Picasa is non-destructive and never touches your original images.
I have used it almost exclusively for about ten years now without a problem.
All you need to do is uninstall it and re-install READING instructions as you go.
Dinnae panic Laddie!
Artistwally
Like camers and all else if you read the instructi... (show quote)


Why would some people want to read the instructions? They would rather spread mis-information.

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Apr 30, 2012 00:13:03   #
MIKE GALLAGHER Loc: New Zealand
 
marcomarks wrote:
MIKE GALLAGHER wrote:
marcomarks wrote:
MIKE GALLAGHER wrote:
tulsimm wrote:
You kids crack me up.
You get a free program that will do simple editing and indexing. Picasa asks you if you want it to index clip art to jepgs any where you give access. You don't read the question or you don't understand but you say OK anyway, and even turn you PC off. You could have don't more damage to PC, software, and your photos doing a hard power down than Software could. You aren't that fast anyway. Or didn't you think of that? lets get upset with the PC makers.

Picas is free software. It is not its fault you don't either read or understand what you read when your asked a simple question before you say "yes".

Any of you free software users able to stay married? LOL
You kids crack me up. br You get a free program ... (show quote)


Are you a complete idiot? Your comments are stupid and show that you have no idea how we beginners with a programme get so frustrated and angry with software that markets itself as simple and safe and yet allows us to make serious mistakes. Go back to your latest and most expensive software, make your beautiful pictures, stand back and admire them and congratulate yourself on your brilliance and ingenuity. Then go somewhere else.
Mike Gallagher
quote=tulsimm You kids crack me up. br You get ... (show quote)


Now, let's be nice... your frustration with the software need not overflow onto UHH posters.
quote=MIKE GALLAGHER quote=tulsimm You kids crac... (show quote)

I feel like responding to that but I won't bother.
quote=marcomarks quote=MIKE GALLAGHER quote=tul... (show quote)


Go ahead. I initially sympathized with your problem and frustration because I've taught beginner adult education classes successfully. But if you're in the mood for a fight and truly want to embarrass yourself I can become rude and obnoxious too. While tulsimm's response was a bid snide there's truth to it. Beginners hurry into software and don't read installation instructions that pop up well enough.

So if somebody goes somewhere else I guarantee it will be you unless you can chill out. Go kick the dog or something. We're here to help newbies not to be verbally abused by an over-the-top hot head.
quote=MIKE GALLAGHER quote=marcomarks quote=MIK... (show quote)


I humbly and with true contrition bow to your superior calmness of nature, your depth of understanding and your willingness to tolerate the abject ravings of an over-the-top hot headhead like myself once, if not twice. I crave your forgiveness and will spend restless nights in deep embarrassment until you condescend to favour me with a word of comfort in my ensuing misery. Please, I beg you, let me stay.

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Apr 30, 2012 00:22:30   #
MIKE GALLAGHER Loc: New Zealand
 
georgevedwards wrote:
I don't know what you are talking about. I downlowded Picasa 3,
looked at it, and haven't bothered with it since. I have noticed no different functioning of my computer or any other programs on it.
Am I the only one to escape this evil demon? I think it may have done something you don't like but it may be totally harmless. Am I missing something here?


Yep! The original post. But you're not alone.
Mike

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Apr 30, 2012 00:39:24   #
MIKE GALLAGHER Loc: New Zealand
 
dennis g wrote:
Mike,I understand your feeling as I want to be in control of my computer and am loathe to let it run doing what someone else wants even if I have not asked for it. That is, in part, why I'm a Linux user.


Yes, I liked XP but this computer has Win7 and they've done some things that mean I can't just change over and carry on. I'm on another voyage of discovery now, and I hope the storm doesn't get much worse or I'll be looking for a lifeboat. Hang on.... Is that HMNZS Linux coming over the horizon?

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Apr 30, 2012 00:54:38   #
Mabarker Loc: Spokane, WA
 
I have used Picasa for a few years now and like it. It only has 'grabbed' photos off my computer's hard drive but not my external hard drive. If I delete photos off my computer they also disappear from Picasa. I like the fact that my web albums on Picasa are safe so if anything where to happen to my computer's hard drive and I were to loose my photos I always have the photos on my web albums to download back on a new computer.

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Apr 30, 2012 01:12:40   #
MIKE GALLAGHER Loc: New Zealand
 
frederdane
Love your sun. Real dark filter? And thanks for the reply. By the way - 2 emms if you use an Eeee.
Sorry I can't help with that landscape button. Didn't really get on those terms with Picassa.
And the anger thing? Tried to ingratiate myself with marcomarks about 3/4 down P12 and don't want to have to do that again. It's humiliating and makes me feel small. Well..... not as big. Oh. Just noticed. It's worn off.
Mike

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