Why is this lens so expensive?
Dec 9, 2015 23:47:39 #
Chefneil wrote:
The title says it all. Is Schiender Xenon THAT much better?
"Schneider-Kreuznach" pretty much says it all, but a front element somewhere around 90mm probably doesn't hurt the price!
Dec 10, 2015 07:37:39 #
Chefneil wrote:
The title says it all. Is Schiender Xenon THAT much better?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
Some people would say, "You get what you pay for," whatever that means. Name-brand clothing makers don't let stores mark their products down very much because it makes them look cheap.
As for the price of this lens, it's limited production, so the cost of development must be spread over a small number of units. We have to assume that they put an awful lot of attention into every aspect of development, manufacturing, and assembly. That's (supposedly) what you're paying for. I'd like to read some reviews before I bought it, but being limited to 25mm for that price is not a big selling point for me.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Schneider+Xenon+FF+25mm+T2.1+Lens+reviews&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS625US625&oq=Schneider+Xenon+FF+25mm+T2.1+Lens+reviews&aqs=chrome..69i57.3380j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
Dec 10, 2015 08:06:56 #
OddJobber wrote:
Pretty good lens like the German BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Audi as well as Bugatti and Lamborghini, owned by the Volkswagen Group are "pretty good" cars. :roll: :XD:
Porsche way over rated, just an expensive VW. I have owned one, very disappointing.
Dec 10, 2015 08:10:36 #
Dec 10, 2015 08:41:49 #
MT Shooter wrote:
Welcome to the world of specialty video lenses.
Exactly. The needs of video lenses are much greater than for stills. Like the 360 degree turn of the focus ring. It allows for precision refocus during a shot. The mechanics of these lenses cost a lot. And the resolution they provide. You hear on UHH all the time about the problems of getting a good sharp shot that you can print at poster size. Movie theater screens are typically between 45 and 50 feet. You kind of need equipment that will nail changing focus. Your typical DSLR lens won't cut it. Oh, you could eventually get the shot, but after how many tries?
And it is worth it for that reason. A lens like this means fewer takes compared with a less expensive lens. Even on a low budget indie, takes cost money. You will save the cost of the lens pretty quickly in salary costs alone.
Dec 10, 2015 08:42:40 #
Tomcat5133
Loc: Gladwyne PA
Most high end cine video lens are very expensive. Cooke, Zeiss, Canon glass are very expensive. Thousands of dollars. I am a producer now shooting some my projects and to afford cine lens I have been using Rokinon cine lens from South Korea i believe. Their newer 50mm 2.0 and 24mm 1.5 don't have the 35mm are pretty good for in the 300 to 500 dollar range. They are fully manual, declicked and it is a joy to set the aperture visually and silently with them. You can use still lens a lot of pro's are using legacy Nikon glass on video camcorders that take lens. Good luck.
Dec 10, 2015 08:51:52 #
This whole discussion is a good example of lens-envy.
Few of us will ever spend $20,000 or even $5000 on a lens and we know it - just as we know that none of our photographs will ever hang in a museum or sell for big bucks. For most of us, photography is a hobby. It is something to be enjoyed (but at a nominal cost).
Something I enjoy about photography is that it does not need to become a competition. It is something I can do for my own enjoyment and amusement. If I like a shot that I took then I can enjoy that and if it didn't come out I can think about what I could do to improve the next shot. If the answer is to spend my life's savings on a new lens then I can enjoy a good laugh about that thought - but I'm not going to do it.
Few of us will ever spend $20,000 or even $5000 on a lens and we know it - just as we know that none of our photographs will ever hang in a museum or sell for big bucks. For most of us, photography is a hobby. It is something to be enjoyed (but at a nominal cost).
Something I enjoy about photography is that it does not need to become a competition. It is something I can do for my own enjoyment and amusement. If I like a shot that I took then I can enjoy that and if it didn't come out I can think about what I could do to improve the next shot. If the answer is to spend my life's savings on a new lens then I can enjoy a good laugh about that thought - but I'm not going to do it.
Dec 10, 2015 09:00:46 #
Chefneil wrote:
The title says it all. Is Schiender Xenon THAT much better?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
Having a many years long relationship with Schneider-Kreuznach lenses, and B+W filters, I'd say yes, every penny.
--Bob
Dec 10, 2015 09:03:47 #
MT Shooter wrote:
Welcome to the world of specialty video lenses.
Exactly...the average person probably doesn't even know what those "gears" are for on the outside of the lens.
Dec 10, 2015 09:07:03 #
Those are there so one can shoot faster.
:-o
Cdouthitt wrote:
Exactly...the average person probably doesn't even know what those "gears" are for on the outside of the lens.
:-o
Dec 10, 2015 09:17:25 #
sr71 wrote:
Those are there so one can shoot faster.
:-o
:-o
One is an Andrews 37...the other a 57 (Harley riders will understand).
Dec 10, 2015 09:21:55 #
wj cody
Loc: springfield illinois
Chefneil wrote:
The title says it all. Is Schiender Xenon THAT much better?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
there are many reasons for the current price of this lens. firstly, the use of schott blanks, much like zeiss for hasselblad. secondly the colour matching along with the focal length.
schneider glass has always been somewhat unique in the world of professional lenses. i use schneider lenses on my 5x7 field camera and find the resolution to be superb. are they expensive? yes, but if you amortize the cost of the lens over your life, then it becomes very affordable.
interesting just to note rolleiflex produced their 2.8 cameras with both planar and schneider lenses. i always liked the schneider variation. just a personal preference.
Dec 10, 2015 09:34:58 #
You are paying for the name and quality and reputation for fine optics. My German lenses on my Hasselblad were outstanding.Not cheap but excellent sharpness, contrast,etc.
Chefneil wrote:
The title says it all. Is Schiender Xenon THAT much better?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1023837-REG/schneider_09_1079426_xenon_ff_25mm.html/?gclid=CIu74_flz8kCFRc6gQod_N8N3g
Dec 10, 2015 09:36:29 #
Dec 10, 2015 09:51:51 #
Haydon wrote:
Nikkor 6 mm 2.8 fisheye went for $160,000.
http://petapixel.com/2012/05/08/160000-nikkor-6mm-fisheye-in-action-on-a-nikon-d800/
http://petapixel.com/2012/05/08/160000-nikkor-6mm-fisheye-in-action-on-a-nikon-d800/
Quality and rarity: the 6mm captures a 220 degree angle of view, which means it's difficult to shoot without seeing your shoes or hands in the picture and if you point it upward, you can see the entire sky, as well as the horizon at 360 degrees. One of my first purchases was the 6mm, only the f/5.6 version, but a very early version from 1969 (the 28th lens made of this model).
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