A sad day for Britian.
Dec 4, 2015 18:52:59 #
dljen wrote:
These fools who are saying to kill all Muslims are delusional. Yesterday, the leader of the Republican party, Donald Trump, suggested killing all members of ISIL and their families. The US, and I hope England, isn't like that, we don't want to kill innocent civilians like Russia. This is the reason we have ISIL, they hate the west, especially the US. We went into Iraq carpet bombing, killing innocents. Haven't we learned anything???
War is precisely about destroying the enemy and anybody they hide behind. PC doesn't belong in war, that's the problem.
You just want our soldiers to die. God help them from people like you.
Dec 4, 2015 19:05:25 #
BigBear wrote:
We're talking about terrorists who would rather kill you than to look at you, let alone listen to what you have to say.
That is exactly what the UK government said about the IRA, until they actually tried it. The end result was neither perfect nor easily attained, but the tensions decreased and bloodshed is now, with very rare exception, unheard of.
Dec 4, 2015 19:21:34 #
yhtomit wrote:
War is precisely about destroying the enemy and anybody they hide behind. PC doesn't belong in war, that's the problem.
You just want our soldiers to die. God help them from people like you.
You just want our soldiers to die. God help them from people like you.
Huh?
Dec 4, 2015 19:22:56 #
cascadia13 wrote:
That is exactly what the UK government said about the IRA, until they actually tried it. The end result was neither perfect nor easily attained, but the tensions decreased and bloodshed is now, with very rare exception, unheard of.
Why would ISIS want to sat down with any government for talks? What would they have to gain? What would we have to give up to them for peace?
Dec 4, 2015 19:24:47 #
yhtomit wrote:
PC doesn't belong in war, that's the problem.
Agreed that PC doesn't belong, but intelligent, well targeted strategy certainly does.
ISIS would like nothing better than for us and our allies to conduct the sort of operations being bandied about by some on this forum.
Conduct massive operations with massive "collateral damage" (what a disgusting term, but it's the one we've gotten used to) and you guarantee an abundant supply of fresh recruits willing to splatter their viscera, and those of their victims, as payback for their family members, friends or whoever else happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Brilliant plan.
Dec 4, 2015 19:37:01 #
Wellhiem wrote:
To quote from your link; a sign that radical Islam is not compatible with the civilized world.
Do you see the operative word here?
Do you see the operative word here?
Do you see that that are right there in Sunny England?
Or did you mean to say Sunni England?
They want to kill you. Do you understand that? :?
Dec 4, 2015 20:19:16 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Why would ISIS want to sat down with any government for talks? What would they have to gain? What would we have to give up to them for peace?
They have declared themselves head of a global caliphate, a term that would be laughable if their actions were not so brutal.
Likewise, the IRA's goal of a united Ireland was clearly not going to occur in a nation so deeply divided, though they claimed to be unwilling to settle for less. What they did eventually settle for was a power-sharing arrangement with both Unionists and Republicans having political representation.
Obviously, the comparison is far from perfect, and I won't pretend to know what ISIS truly is seeking to obtain. Maybe let them have a piece of property that's already been bombed into the stone age by its secular, "anti-terrorist" leader Assad (ISIS=Islamic State In Syria), provide and protect an escape route for refugees, then allow them to suffer the consequences of their "success".
Terrorists thrive on ham-fisted responses from their "oppressors".
Dec 4, 2015 20:28:57 #
bvm
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Wellhiem wrote:
Parliament has voted in favour of bombing Syria. Don't get me wrong, ISIS needs to be sorted out. But this is a knee jerk reaction. What is the exit strategy here? At what point do we say "job done"? How do we know who are ISIS and who are innocent civilians caught up in it? These people do not wear uniforms. If we could get all ISIS sympathisers to gather into one big group, isolated from all other people, that would be great. But I really don't see them agreeing to it.
i.) are you saying it's everybody else's job?
2.)What was YOUR exit strategy in WWll ?
3.) "Job well done " is when every last Jihadi bastards are thrown on the funeral pyre.
4.) we can always try, we don't want another Dunkirk.
Dec 4, 2015 20:42:05 #
bvm wrote:
i.) are you saying it's everybody else's job?
2.)What was YOUR exit strategy in WWll ?
3.) "Job well done " is when every last Jihadi bastards are thrown on the funeral pyre.
4.) we can always try, we don't want another Dunkirk.
2.)What was YOUR exit strategy in WWll ?
3.) "Job well done " is when every last Jihadi bastards are thrown on the funeral pyre.
4.) we can always try, we don't want another Dunkirk.
Yet another stunning rebuttal from UHH's semi-literate specialist in straw-man construction. Yawn.
Dec 4, 2015 21:09:07 #
cascadia13 wrote:
They have declared themselves head of a global cal... (show quote)
ISIS is nothing like the IRA. The goals are not the same. Where the IRA wanted a united Ireland, ISIS wants to take over the world and convert everyone to Islam. A fanatic does not want to sat in on peace talks. They will have the peace they want when their goals are reached. At least they will die trying but unfortunate so will anyone who oppose them. Unite all Muslim nations together to fight the non-Muslim nations. People who behead other Muslims and none Muslims don't want to talk because their ideology is in conflict with our views of democracy. Although we want to worship God as each man choose to worship we do not want a theocracy. God does not force man to worship him, why would we want man to force us into unwanted worship of a deity?
I am not saying that we must bomb everyone so as to make sure we kill the bad guys... it just might take boots on the ground to root out ISIS.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/38192-what-does-isis-want-exactly-the-terrorists-stated-goal-has-been-made-clear
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/as-isis-grows-questions-remain-about-its-goals/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27801680
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000003106592/isis-goals-and-tactics-worldwide.html
Dec 4, 2015 21:27:14 #
Bangee5 wrote:
ISIS is nothing like the IRA. The goals are not th... (show quote)
Boots on what ground? They are, as you correctly point out, stateless. Are you up for perpetual, global whack-a-mole? I would love to see them wiped off the face of the earth, but don't see that as possible. Their stated goal is equally impossible, so why waste time/blood/treasure attempting to turn the tide with a teaspoon?
Dec 4, 2015 21:57:40 #
cascadia13 wrote:
Boots on what ground? They are, as you correctly point out, stateless. Are you up for perpetual, global whack-a-mole? I would love to see them wiped off the face of the earth, but don't see that as possible. Their stated goal is equally impossible, so why waste time/blood/treasure attempting to turn the tide with a teaspoon?
Okay, I have to admit, I do not understand your views on ISIS. You ask for answers but offer none of your own. It even seems as if you are defending ISIS. Boots on the ground? Our boots but where would you like those boots to be? In your backyard or theirs? Their stated goals may be impossible to you but that does not stop the death toll of many innocent lives as they try to reach those goals. Why waste time/blood/treasure in the attempt to turn the tide - to stop future bloodshed.
Dec 4, 2015 21:59:26 #
cascadia13 wrote:
Agreed that PC doesn't belong, but intelligent, we... (show quote)
I think we should do what ever we can to get them to come out of their holes so our people can get a bead on them.
It is going to be a multi-generational fight to wipe out the thought of islamic extremism.
Dec 4, 2015 22:05:25 #
bvm
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
cascadia13 wrote:
Yet another stunning rebuttal from UHH's semi-literate specialist in straw-man construction. Yawn.
You seem to have no common or historical sense.
Dec 4, 2015 22:07:33 #
bvm wrote:
You seem to have no common or historical sense.
No it is more like that you lack any rational grasp of the facts, but you seem to be OK with that so carry on with your bigoted self......
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