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Apr 24, 2012 12:55:44   #
melphoto60
 
Pixalated wrote:
Kitty on keyboard sheeshl any way. I have a fear of heights. And 1st time in anything that small. And Love your photos! Sharp and clear! Thanks.


same here I have a fear of hights but it doesnt bother me in an airplane (large), just glass outside or inside elevators going up at least 4 or more floors and standing at an overlook and look down eeek. Went to a tower lookout and had to move slowly to the edge and look down, then moved back to the wall. Never been in a small plane so good luck to you.

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Apr 24, 2012 12:57:51   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
a smudge on the aircraft window will not be rendered invisible in the same way a part of a fence will, because a smudge is a far larger area and WILL affect your image. Clean a window the best you can and don't touch it during flight with your head or hands or you will leave greae marks to smudge.

The fence had a thin line and if the window too had a thin line it could become invisible. But a smudge on the window is just like a tiny smudge on your lens from an inadvertant finger slipping over it, it will be a blur on your image.

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Apr 24, 2012 13:07:44   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
there are many pilots who also have a fear of heights. The fear of heights is really the fear of falling from those heights. When you are on land you have an association with the land and the distance all the way down to the ground below. Such as in a window of a tall building, on the edge of a cliff looking down, on a high ladder looking down, in a tall tree looking down.

You will note that I always said looking down because that is the thing that you can associate yourself with from where you are standing or sitting. You see a link to the ground through the object (tree) or building. In a plane it is different because you have no link to the ground.

Show me someone who has a fear of heights and I guarantee you that we can put them on a flat mountain top and have them look across the valley and they will be fine. Because they are not looking down, nor do they have something to associate themselves with from where they are that goes all the way down to the ground.

In a plane it is like looking off into the distance from a flat mountain top (not the edge), they feel fine. Now looking staight down is another thing, but that rarely happens or is even possible for a passenger in a plane.

You should not have a real problem to speak of, so enjoy the flight and all those golden sparkly little lights below. It will be an amazing experience. I used to take people flying at sunset and let them watch 2 or 3 sunsets and sun rises during the same flight. We'd level out, let the sun set then I'd climb and they could watch the sun rise "OUT OF THE WEST, NO LESS" and then we'd level off and let it set again and then I'd climb again and let it rise up a little from the horizon and then level out and it would set once more.

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Apr 24, 2012 13:17:18   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Mudshark wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Stinson222 wrote:
Hi,,

Good luck with shooting from the plane,,
Please have someone else doing the flying while you are shooting. LOL,,

I agree with those that have said that the plastic windows are an issue, I have a sliding window in my Champ, and I slide it open to shoot.


It is easy to deal with smudging in the window of a plane. The lens will eliminate it as it does a chain link fence if the focus is on something significantly behind it. It would take a huge, dark obstruction to show up in the photos.
quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good luck with shoot... (show quote)


On one level I agree...but if you are doing serious work think about it...You're using a $2500 lens designed via computer with multiple special coatings, etc., etc. and then shooting through scratched up, milky, el-crapo plexiglas? C'mon......!?!
quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good lu... (show quote)


Not all planes have scratched, scarred windows. If they do, the better equipment can deal with it. I would liike to show you a smaple, but recently my computer was stolen, and I have not yet been able to restore on the new computer what I lost.

Finally, bad factors multiply. Poor field conditions and compromise equipment can show in the images. On the other hand, better equipment is one way to balance field conditions that are not the best.

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Apr 24, 2012 14:51:47   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
PNagy wrote:
Mudshark wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Stinson222 wrote:
Hi,,

Good luck with shooting from the plane,,
Please have someone else doing the flying while you are shooting. LOL,,

I agree with those that have said that the plastic windows are an issue, I have a sliding window in my Champ, and I slide it open to shoot.


It is easy to deal with smudging in the window of a plane. The lens will eliminate it as it does a chain link fence if the focus is on something significantly behind it. It would take a huge, dark obstruction to show up in the photos.
quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good luck with shoot... (show quote)


On one level I agree...but if you are doing serious work think about it...You're using a $2500 lens designed via computer with multiple special coatings, etc., etc. and then shooting through scratched up, milky, el-crapo plexiglas? C'mon......!?!
quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good lu... (show quote)


Not all planes have scratched, scarred windows. If they do, the better equipment can deal with it. I would liike to show you a smaple, but recently my computer was stolen, and I have not yet been able to restore on the new computer what I lost.

Finally, bad factors multiply. Poor field conditions and compromise equipment can show in the images. On the other hand, better equipment is one way to balance field conditions that are not the best.
quote=Mudshark quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,... (show quote)


You do what you have to do. I was a Navy photographer and I've shot aerials in everything from balloons to jets. The BEST results are from large format cameras equipped with proper sized gyros or full sensor digital cameras with IS or mounted on a gyro all with high quality glass shot with nothing between the lens and the target more than a UV filter. If you think you get acceptable images shooting through plastic that's great...I have also done that but only when there was no other choice. I also shoot sports and while some may shoot through the chain link fence I almost always find a way to avoid it...All I'm after is the absolute best quality...that's why people pay me to make photographs for them...I never take the easy route unless it is the best quality route.

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Apr 24, 2012 17:52:17   #
Mark Loc: SC
 
I do it. Here is one of Myrtle Beach, SC

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Apr 24, 2012 17:52:33   #
Mark Loc: SC
 
I do it. Here is one of Myrtle Beach, SC



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Apr 24, 2012 17:58:29   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Mudshark wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Mudshark wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Stinson222 wrote:
Hi,,

Good luck with shooting from the plane,,
Please have someone else doing the flying while you are shooting. LOL,,

I agree with those that have said that the plastic windows are an issue, I have a sliding window in my Champ, and I slide it open to shoot.


It is easy to deal with smudging in the window of a plane. The lens will eliminate it as it does a chain link fence if the focus is on something significantly behind it. It would take a huge, dark obstruction to show up in the photos.
quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good luck with shoot... (show quote)


On one level I agree...but if you are doing serious work think about it...You're using a $2500 lens designed via computer with multiple special coatings, etc., etc. and then shooting through scratched up, milky, el-crapo plexiglas? C'mon......!?!
quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good lu... (show quote)


Not all planes have scratched, scarred windows. If they do, the better equipment can deal with it. I would liike to show you a smaple, but recently my computer was stolen, and I have not yet been able to restore on the new computer what I lost.

Finally, bad factors multiply. Poor field conditions and compromise equipment can show in the images. On the other hand, better equipment is one way to balance field conditions that are not the best.
quote=Mudshark quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,... (show quote)


You do what you have to do. I was a Navy photographer and I've shot aerials in everything from balloons to jets. The BEST results are from large format cameras equipped with proper sized gyros or full sensor digital cameras with IS or mounted on a gyro all with high quality glass shot with nothing between the lens and the target more than a UV filter. If you think you get acceptable images shooting through plastic that's great...I have also done that but only when there was no other choice. I also shoot sports and while some may shoot through the chain link fence I almost always find a way to avoid it...All I'm after is the absolute best quality...that's why people pay me to make photographs for them...I never take the easy route unless it is the best quality route.
quote=PNagy quote=Mudshark quote=PNagy quote=S... (show quote)


If you find a way to shoot around a chain link fence at a zoo you have violated their rules.

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Apr 24, 2012 18:29:25   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
PNagy wrote:
Mudshark wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Mudshark wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Stinson222 wrote:
Hi,,

Good luck with shooting from the plane,,
Please have someone else doing the flying while you are shooting. LOL,,

I agree with those that have said that the plastic windows are an issue, I have a sliding window in my Champ, and I slide it open to shoot.


It is easy to deal with smudging in the window of a plane. The lens will eliminate it as it does a chain link fence if the focus is on something significantly behind it. It would take a huge, dark obstruction to show up in the photos.
quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good luck with shoot... (show quote)


On one level I agree...but if you are doing serious work think about it...You're using a $2500 lens designed via computer with multiple special coatings, etc., etc. and then shooting through scratched up, milky, el-crapo plexiglas? C'mon......!?!
quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,, br br Good lu... (show quote)


Not all planes have scratched, scarred windows. If they do, the better equipment can deal with it. I would liike to show you a smaple, but recently my computer was stolen, and I have not yet been able to restore on the new computer what I lost.

Finally, bad factors multiply. Poor field conditions and compromise equipment can show in the images. On the other hand, better equipment is one way to balance field conditions that are not the best.
quote=Mudshark quote=PNagy quote=Stinson222 Hi,... (show quote)


You do what you have to do. I was a Navy photographer and I've shot aerials in everything from balloons to jets. The BEST results are from large format cameras equipped with proper sized gyros or full sensor digital cameras with IS or mounted on a gyro all with high quality glass shot with nothing between the lens and the target more than a UV filter. If you think you get acceptable images shooting through plastic that's great...I have also done that but only when there was no other choice. I also shoot sports and while some may shoot through the chain link fence I almost always find a way to avoid it...All I'm after is the absolute best quality...that's why people pay me to make photographs for them...I never take the easy route unless it is the best quality route.
quote=PNagy quote=Mudshark quote=PNagy quote=S... (show quote)


If you find a way to shoot around a chain link fence at a zoo you have violated their rules.
quote=Mudshark quote=PNagy quote=Mudshark quot... (show quote)


I don't shoot zoos...

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Apr 25, 2012 02:31:24   #
Pixalated Loc: hiding ; >
 
Georgia Peddler wrote:
Shot aerial commercial stuff from a Cessna 210 for about 6 years way back when. Even had a hole mounted in the rear floorboard for straight down shots (Yes, it was done to spec and certified) All Cessna planes (especially older ones) have a single screw holding the fold-out arm to the side window. By taking this screw out, the window will automatically go full-open and stay there until you close it. When you land, just put the screw back in the hinge arm and all is OK. Really makes a big difference not having to worry about the window flapping and not opening wide enough for your needed shot. Good luck
Shot aerial commercial stuff from a Cessna 210 for... (show quote)


Not worried about shot then, but falling out!!!

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Apr 25, 2012 02:39:50   #
Pixalated Loc: hiding ; >
 
Very interesting information. All of it helpfull. Thank you one and all. If I tried to respond to each, I would be up way past my bedtime! Really, guys, thanks so much. Will post any good ones. Flight date not set yet, probably a few weeks.

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Apr 25, 2012 03:08:24   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Nice shot but a bit misty. I guess you can clean them up.



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Apr 25, 2012 03:25:06   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Don't think they'd take too kindly to removing a window from an A380 or some such bird. Air liners also have double 'glazing', the inner, one can wipe but the outer is out of bounds to clean.There is also the double reflection problem.

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Apr 25, 2012 11:11:42   #
Pixalated Loc: hiding ; >
 
aerials wrote:
Wear dark clothing to keep reflections to a minimum.


lol! I never would have thought of that!!

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Apr 26, 2012 23:06:55   #
Frank Wilson Loc: Saugatuck Mi
 
What lens are you talking about?

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