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Nov 11, 2015 08:06:22   #
wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado
 
Did lots of research mirrorless research and tried out several models before deciding on the Fuji XT1. I took it along with a variety of Fuji lenses to the northern Oregon coast for a two week vacation. My goal was to become one with the system. Bottom line, the Fuji is much more than I hoped for. My percentage of keepers as well as the intuitive dials makes me a happy photographer. The EVF is remarkable. The image quality, especially the tones and color brings a smile to my face during post production. While I am satisfied with my Canon DSLR system, I have no regrets venturing into the mirrorless world. I'll be traveling much lighter in the coming years but not concerned about leaving my Canon gear home.

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Nov 11, 2015 08:19:02   #
Bobsan Loc: Elgin,I'll.
 
Suggest you see fujiforum.com to get insight into the XT-1 and 10 from users.

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Nov 11, 2015 10:03:18   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
My take-

I have the Sony A6000 and find it to be a superb camera- fits well in my hands, very portable, relatively easy to use and change settings, excellent image quality, fast accurate focus. If you are into vintage lenses this camera makes using those lenses very easy with its excellent focus peaking.

I also own the Olympus M-5 and M-10 and really like those cameras as well. Also excellent image quality. The in-camera stabilization is excellent. I find these cameras to be a little less user friendly and less ergonomic. I have been waiting for the release of the Olympus 300 mm f4 lens forever it seems but...

I also own the new Pentax K 3-2. With the in camera stabilization, weather sealing and large selection of very excellent lenses, many of which are quite compact (and affordable) and the availability of a 300 mm f4 lens I am quite happy with the Pentax.

I did briefly own the Fuji XE-2. My experience with this camera was different than most people's- I liked the feel of the camera and it was user friendly but I could not get a crisp, sharp image consistently- may very well had to do with the kit lens I was using but still...

I use all of my cameras all of the time. None sit on the shelf. Obviously I am not wedded to a specific brand. I only have a few select lenses for each camera. Rather than changing lenses I change cameras. The Olympus M-5 and Pentax are weather sealed and have complimentary lenses. As do the fair weather Sony and M10. I have an excellent wide angle and moderately long and fast lens for the Pentax. And I have several vintage lenses for the Sony.

Each camera has its strengths and weaknesses. I have not found one camera that meets all needs and situations. Nor one lens.
Although my solution is not perfect by any means it works for now.

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Nov 11, 2015 10:16:19   #
jro1010
 
Those three cameras are NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE. Even when they are mirrorless, the can't compare. The two sonys that you are mentioning are different sensors and that makes a difference, even when they share the same mount. And the xt-1 is a whole different animal on its own, mostly because of the way it processes the images, and that is without considering the technical aspects of it. So, yeah... this is a difficult analysis to make, and I had own two of the three. Peace to you all. jro

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Nov 11, 2015 10:35:20   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Impressionist wrote:
The d7200 is a nice rugged camera. You mention missing the a6000 and at the price point you would be set should you want to upgrade to an a7 later. With Black Friday and cyber Monday close deals on the a6000 should be forthcoming.


That's one of the things about the D7200 that attracted me to it, it's ruggedness and the fact that they have weatherproofed it. The A6000 is neither, really. It's well built, but not weatherproof, and that is a desirable feature for the conditions up here. It can be beautiful one minute and nasty the next, especially up in the mountains. But by comparison, even at regular retail prices, the A6000 is a good value. Fortunately I have all winter to think about all of this and make my decision. Once I sell that motorcycle I can get the gear I want. My grandson is particularly excited about this.

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Nov 11, 2015 11:34:11   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I use both APS-C and FF, with mirrors and without. I bought the a6000 for indoor low-light sports and travel. I use the 16-50 for travel and the 50/1.8 and on occasion, a 70-200 adapted. It is a beast for sports, and a pleasure to haul for travel. Love APS-C for sports in both MILC, and DSLR.
My old Canon 5D has been my go to for weddings and some portrait work.
Eventually Sony may conquer all.
In the meantime, I have never owned a M4/3 set up, but I have read much on the Olympus and it appears to a very attractive and capable system.
Awhile back read that the Fuji was considered tops for IQ, but again, never owned one.
If I were starting out again, it would be a dilemma for me choosing between the e-mount Sony system and M4/3.
For what I use them for, the bell ringer for me is the AF and AF tracking capability. M/4/3 historically have lagged behind in that area, and DSLR's were king, but the gap continues to close to the point, they are very similar. The AF speed of AF and AF tracking on the a6000 is amazing.which is biased having owned and used one for just short of a year.

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Nov 11, 2015 13:14:24   #
nangalened Loc: Abingdon Virginia
 
The a6000 will be 699.99 on sale at Best Buy Black Friday and I believe it comes with 2 kit lenses and an SD card. The D7100 will be 999.99 with 2 lenses and card. At least that's the email I got from fm.blackfriday

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Nov 11, 2015 13:15:30   #
Kuzano
 
Far North wrote:
Price aside, one thing that tends to make me shy away from the Fuji is the price of their lenses. Fuji lenses are pretty spend compared to Sony, Olympus and Nikon.


Two pieces of plus for you.

Good news, the Fuji's drop in price in the used market very fast, due to rapid evolutions cycles. If you do hear anything bad about a Fuji, it's this from early adopters.

Find a good used one. I've purchased and used multitudes of cameras for 45 years. I never buy new.

These fuji's can be purchased used, nearly new with low shutter count for far less than list price. They are good, reliable and if you are a "new only" buyer, it sucks to be you. I expect to see refurbs soon, and this is my preferred buy method unless i get a real deal used.

Second your point on lens prices... Well worth the prices. The Fuji XF18-55 is compact, and f2.8-4, and I have purchased two of them used for under $300. eBay and good seller feedback is your friend.

I have shot Fujifilm Fujinon glass, since before they EBC coated it in the late 60's, both in large, medium and 35mm format.

The reason you find the lenses a bit high is because, in my experience and as a rule, Fuhinon glass simply kicks ass on the other mfrs you mentioned.

Have fun with your new Fuji XT1, but if you want to save a bit of money the new Fuji XT10 with same innards is less expensive. It's a slightly more consumer build body, but matches the XT1 on results I am told.

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Nov 11, 2015 13:21:08   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Being a former motorcycle rider myself, I go with a smaller setup. That lends itself to an EM5ii and some small primes or the 12-40 (which all can be found for under 2k)

There's a ton of videos out there comparing the EM1, XT-1 and A6000 (and other similar bodies). In the end it all boils down to personal preference, as they all take capability of capturing fine images. The advantage with m4/3 is it's superior 5 axis stability, which allows you to not carry around a tripod.

If you need to see average joe examples from m4/3 gear (and I know certain people hate this, but that's never stopped me), click on my user name to find my website. There's lots of examples there.

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Nov 11, 2015 13:30:36   #
Kuzano
 
I forgot a point... Sensors.

All the Sony camera's you mentioned all have Sony Sensors, along with every other camera on the block.

Only Fujifilm camera's have Fujifilm Sensors.... a distinction I suspect you may have not brought into your research at great length. Fuji's technology is vastly different on engineering and design. Because of the way the photo sites work, Fuji has never needed to use Low Pass AA filtering. A major enhancement on image sharpness.

I shot all three models of the Fujifilm S2, S3, and S5 Pro Models which were touted for their high dynamic range, and treatment of whites and skin colors. Strong in the wedding and portrait market.

The newer X series, including the Hybrid models have benefitted by this revolutionary Fujifilm design for sensors, and a real allegiance to what they know about films such as Velvia and acros.

Their film simulation in the cameras to at least three if not four emulsions of film pays off for me, as I have been a heavy user for Velvia in color.

More Fuji thoughts for you.

I follow the trends and market closely. I find Sony interesting, but have never been drawn to them. I think it has something to do with a company that sells sensors to every buyer who want them, and then in turn, competes with their sources of income. Sony is riding the backs of all their sensor buyers to create their own attractive, but different, products.

Just something a bit whorish about that, don't you think.

I guess Sony does not appeal to me on an ethical principle.

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Nov 11, 2015 14:03:15   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Kuzano wrote:
Two pieces of plus for you.

Good news, the Fuji's drop in price in the used market very fast, due to rapid evolutions cycles. If you do hear anything bad about a Fuji, it's this from early adopters.

Find a good used one. I've purchased and used multitudes of cameras for 45 years. I never buy new.

These fuji's can be purchased used, nearly new with low shutter count for far less than list price. They are good, reliable and if you are a "new only" buyer, it sucks to be you. I expect to see refurbs soon, and this is my preferred buy method unless i get a real deal used.

Second your point on lens prices... Well worth the prices. The Fuji XF18-55 is compact, and f2.8-4, and I have purchased two of them used for under $300. eBay and good seller feedback is your friend.

I have shot Fujifilm Fujinon glass, since before they EBC coated it in the late 60's, both in large, medium and 35mm format.

The reason you find the lenses a bit high is because, in my experience and as a rule, Fuhinon glass simply kicks ass on the other mfrs you mentioned.

Have fun with your new Fuji XT1, but if you want to save a bit of money the new Fuji XT10 with same innards is less expensive. It's a slightly more consumer build body, but matches the XT1 on results I am told.
Two pieces of plus for you. br br Good news, the ... (show quote)


Thanks for your advice. From what I've read, the Fuji lenses are top notch, so I am not surprised that they are a bit more expensive than some others. I just finished reading an X-T1 review by Ken Rockwell, and he thinks highly of the camera as well as the Fuji lenses. In fact he says they are better than the Leicas, both the camera and lenses, which surprised me. He praises the construction of the X-T1. The only somewhat negative comment he had was with respect to using the X-T1 for landscape/scenery and nature photography. Something about the camera tends to clip the shadows in a manner he didn't care for. Probably doesn't mean it's not a good camera for taking photos of critters. I'm sure some of that is personal preference.

And yes, I was aware that Fuji cameras use their proprietary sensors, which, according to what I've read, are not the same as others. And several other camera manufacturers use Sony sensors. Not that that's bad, but I suppose one could say that doing so panders to Sony a bit, and shows lack of imagination or innovation on the part of non-Sony manufacturers. Nikon is a good example. For as long as Nikon has been involved with photographic equipment, is surprises me that they haven't designed an manufactured their own sensors. Their call, though.

New vs. used. Normally I buy new as then I know the complete history of whatever it is I am buying. However I will buy used if the right deal comes along. I do like the idea of buying refurbished gear. At least refurb's come with a warranty.

In the end, the Fuji X-T1 is gradually becoming a top contender for the mirrorless side.

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Nov 11, 2015 16:37:28   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Sony RX100 1-4 small camera for cyclists' pants but big 1 inch sensor
Great pics, full control
Give it a look

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Nov 11, 2015 17:26:40   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Toment wrote:
Sony RX100 1-4 small camera for cyclists' pants but big 1 inch sensor
Great pics, full control
Give it a look


I would have earlier on, but I found that as compact as it is, it's just too small for my hands. And it doesn't fit the bill for what I want to do with photography. Good camera, though.

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Nov 11, 2015 17:36:31   #
wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado
 
Far North wrote:
Thanks for your advice. From what I've read, the Fuji lenses are top notch, so I am not surprised that they are a bit more expensive than some others. I just finished reading an X-T1 review by Ken Rockwell, and he thinks highly of the camera as well as the Fuji lenses. In fact he says they are better than the Leicas, both the camera and lenses, which surprised me. He praises the construction of the X-T1. The only somewhat negative comment he had was with respect to using the X-T1 for landscape/scenery and nature photography. Something about the camera tends to clip the shadows in a manner he didn't care for. Probably doesn't mean it's not a good camera for taking photos of critters. I'm sure some of that is personal preference.

And yes, I was aware that Fuji cameras use their proprietary sensors, which, according to what I've read, are not the same as others. And several other camera manufacturers use Sony sensors. Not that that's bad, but I suppose one could say that doing so panders to Sony a bit, and shows lack of imagination or innovation on the part of non-Sony manufacturers. Nikon is a good example. For as long as Nikon has been involved with photographic equipment, is surprises me that they haven't designed an manufactured their own sensors. Their call, though.

New vs. used. Normally I buy new as then I know the complete history of whatever it is I am buying. However I will buy used if the right deal comes along. I do like the idea of buying refurbished gear. At least refurb's come with a warranty.

In the end, the Fuji X-T1 is gradually becoming a top contender for the mirrorless side.
Thanks for your advice. From what I've read, the ... (show quote)


Have not noticed any shadow clipping in the landscapes I shot a couple of weeks ago but I'll be on the lookout. This was shot in raw and converted to B&W using Nik Silver Effects.

XT1 18-135
XT1 18-135...

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Nov 11, 2015 18:03:21   #
le boecere
 
Far North wrote:
Thanks for your advice. From what I've read, the Fuji lenses are top notch, so I am not surprised that they are a bit more expensive than some others. I just finished reading an X-T1 review by Ken Rockwell, and he thinks highly of the camera as well as the Fuji lenses. In fact he says they are better than the Leicas, both the camera and lenses, which surprised me. He praises the construction of the X-T1. The only somewhat negative comment he had was with respect to using the X-T1 for landscape/scenery and nature photography. Something about the camera tends to clip the shadows in a manner he didn't care for. Probably doesn't mean it's not a good camera for taking photos of critters. I'm sure some of that is personal preference.

And yes, I was aware that Fuji cameras use their proprietary sensors, which, according to what I've read, are not the same as others. And several other camera manufacturers use Sony sensors. Not that that's bad, but I suppose one could say that doing so panders to Sony a bit, and shows lack of imagination or innovation on the part of non-Sony manufacturers. Nikon is a good example. For as long as Nikon has been involved with photographic equipment, is surprises me that they haven't designed an manufactured their own sensors. Their call, though.

New vs. used. Normally I buy new as then I know the complete history of whatever it is I am buying. However I will buy used if the right deal comes along. I do like the idea of buying refurbished gear. At least refurb's come with a warranty.

In the end, the Fuji X-T1 is gradually becoming a top contender for the mirrorless side.
Thanks for your advice. From what I've read, the ... (show quote)


This was in yesterdays entry on Rockwell's site, regarding the Fuji X100T colors:

"The Fujifilm X100T probably has the poorest color rendition for nature and landscape use. Fuji's colors are highly optimized for the people photos at which Fuji cameras excel, but the price is that nature and landscape color rendition is only fair.

The Fuji is mid-pack for sharpness at 100%. While its megapixel rating (16MP) is second from the bottom, it's magic sensor needs no anti-alias filter. Thus it renders images very sharply as well."

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