Sony A6000 vs A7 vs Fujifilm X-T1
Nov 10, 2015 19:58:55 #
I have been reading with interest both my thread regarding the Nikon D7200 decision, as well as the mirror/mirroless thread, already 9 pages long. Lots of good info here, including several posts by folks who have switched from DSLR to mirrorless. My experience with mirrorless is limited to the Sony A6000, which I found to be a fine camera and I regret having sold it. However I read where some have gone with the Fuji X-T1 mirrorless and are loving it.
So I guess what I'm looking for are comments from Fuji users, and their experiences with it and how it stacks up against the A6000 and A7. What little I've read here, as well other professional reviews online, and find that this is a great camera. I also found that these people tend to be rather conservative in their remarks when making recommendations for one camera vs. another. Here, the comments are real world, which I appreciate because they come from a basis of "I have this camera and have been using it for awhile, and this are my impressions."
So I am soliciting your comments regarding these three cameras. I really like what I've read about the Fuji, but its price tag puts it on a par with the Sony A7, which is an FF camera, while the A6000 is an APS-C camera, and a lot less expensive than the other two. Price aside, one thing that tends to make me shy away from the Fuji is the price of their lenses. Fuji lenses are pretty spend compared to Sony, Olympus and Nikon.
So, after this lengthy lead in (please pardon my wordiness here) I am looking forward to reading what you all say. Oh yes, my last question is, at the price level, which would the better way to go, the A7 or the S-T1? Thanks in advance.
So I guess what I'm looking for are comments from Fuji users, and their experiences with it and how it stacks up against the A6000 and A7. What little I've read here, as well other professional reviews online, and find that this is a great camera. I also found that these people tend to be rather conservative in their remarks when making recommendations for one camera vs. another. Here, the comments are real world, which I appreciate because they come from a basis of "I have this camera and have been using it for awhile, and this are my impressions."
So I am soliciting your comments regarding these three cameras. I really like what I've read about the Fuji, but its price tag puts it on a par with the Sony A7, which is an FF camera, while the A6000 is an APS-C camera, and a lot less expensive than the other two. Price aside, one thing that tends to make me shy away from the Fuji is the price of their lenses. Fuji lenses are pretty spend compared to Sony, Olympus and Nikon.
So, after this lengthy lead in (please pardon my wordiness here) I am looking forward to reading what you all say. Oh yes, my last question is, at the price level, which would the better way to go, the A7 or the S-T1? Thanks in advance.
Nov 10, 2015 20:27:46 #
Far North wrote:
... My experience with mirrorless is limited to the Sony A6000, which I found to be a fine camera and I regret having sold it ... Thanks in advance.
Dear Far North,
May I ask why you regret having sold your Sony a6000 camera? I don't have nearly so much "an axe to grind" about my a6000 as I used to. I'm not accustomed to selling any of my camera gear. I'd also like to ask why you subsequently sold it? I assume you also sold whatever lenses you bought for it unless they were made for a different camera mount, which would imply that you purchased an E-mount lens adapter.
Thank you.
Nov 10, 2015 21:09:29 #
lev29 wrote:
Dear Far North,
May I ask why you regret having sold your Sony a6000 camera? I don't have nearly so much "an axe to grind" about my a6000 as I used to. I'm not accustomed to selling any of my camera gear. I'd also like to ask why you subsequently sold it? I assume you also sold whatever lenses you bought for it unless they were made for a different camera mount, which would imply that you purchased an E-mount lens adapter.
Thank you.
May I ask why you regret having sold your Sony a6000 camera? I don't have nearly so much "an axe to grind" about my a6000 as I used to. I'm not accustomed to selling any of my camera gear. I'd also like to ask why you subsequently sold it? I assume you also sold whatever lenses you bought for it unless they were made for a different camera mount, which would imply that you purchased an E-mount lens adapter.
Thank you.
To begin with, I ride motorcycles, and needed a camera compact enough to put in the tank bag. The A6000, good as it was, didn't fit the bill. And that is why I sold it. Why do I regret having sold it? I realized, after the fact (Monday morning quarterbacking, you know) that it was a mistake to let the A6000 go. When I bought it, I also got the kit 16-55 lens and the 50--210 zoom. I didn't get any other lenses. I subsequently purchased a Canon G16, which, while it fit the bill for using the bike, comes up a bit short. Hind sight always being 20/20, I realized the benefits of an APS-C sensor. In other words, it all fall under the category of "mistakes we've all made before." Thus I am quitting riding motorcycles--it's just time--and getting back into a bit more serious photography. In addition, my grandson has turned out to be crackerjack photographer and I want to support him in his efforts, which means getting some more sophisticated equipment.
Pretty much I've set my eye on the Nikon D7200 body. Don't know which lens, but the 18--300 is looking pretty good as an all-around lens. On the other hand, I haven't entirely ruled out mirrorless, but I can't get a firm handle on what is what. Part of me wants the A7, but full frame lenses are expensive. I like the Fuji X-T1, but the body is expensive and so are Fuji lenses. All of which leaves me in a quandary over the D7200 or the A6000.
Nov 10, 2015 21:32:58 #
Far North wrote:
To begin with, I ride motorcycles, and needed a camera compact enough to put in the tank bag. The A6000, good as it was, didn't fit the bill ... Part of me wants the A7, but full frame lenses are expensive. I like the Fuji X-T1, but the body is expensive and so are Fuji lenses. All of which leaves me in a quandary over the D7200 or the A6000.
Far North,
I don't pretend to be any sort of Photography expert, but as to your internal debate regarding Full-Frame sensor/lens combos and APS-C sensor/lens combos, based on my own web searches and discussions here on the Hog, it is my opinion that the answer lies in just how much of a perfectionist you are and to what degree does it matter to you. For example, just how big you plan to enlarge any of your photos (for printing purposes,) and/or how much do you potentially want crop any of your photos yet still maintain a reasonable degree of sharpness, etc.
It sounds like APS-C sensor cameras and lenses are the way to go, given your budgetary concerns. In addition, remember one of the benefits of using a "crop" sensor: telephoto lens don't have to be quite so large to obtain the same degree of magnification of FF lenses.
Good luck!
lev29 :)
Nov 10, 2015 21:37:52 #
It really depends on what sort of photography you do. I have a Sony a6000 and I find it to be a good all round camera. It is also the best value camera on the market today. However if you want to spend more then The A7ii is also probably a good bet with the latest firmware update making it compatible with the A-mount lenses when using the LA-E3 adaptor
Nov 10, 2015 23:52:42 #
There is so much different stuff out there, so many choices, that it becomes mind boggling. Hence my problem in making my choice. I think I have ruled out FF, though.
Regarding how large I want to blow up a photo, most likely nothing larger than 8x10. My guess is that an APS-C sensor and really good glass is the ticket. I have intentions of going pro or even approaching that. I take pictures for my own enjoyment and that of my family, but I Do like to use good equipment.
Regarding how large I want to blow up a photo, most likely nothing larger than 8x10. My guess is that an APS-C sensor and really good glass is the ticket. I have intentions of going pro or even approaching that. I take pictures for my own enjoyment and that of my family, but I Do like to use good equipment.
Nov 11, 2015 00:09:45 #
You have narrowed it down a bit but I think you would be doing a disservice to neglect m4/3rds. Smaller than APS-C, but very capable, Olympus and Panasonic cameras have a lot to offer. I've been "playing" with an Olympus OM-D EM5 for the last few weeks and am quite impressed (To give you some perspective, I use a Nikon D800 for work and have a Fuji X-E1 as well) A good friend of mine, who has shot assignments for National Geographic, shoots almost exclusively with his Olympus OMD E-M1 now. Lots of lenses from which to choose as Panasonic lenses work on Olympus cameras and vice versa. Add to that, some Olympus cameras are pretty weatherproof.
A note- you mentioned the high price of Fuji lenses.
They have earned their reputation and are as good as the best Nikon & Canon have to offer. Fuji has been in the large-format lens business for a long time, made some great medium format cameras and lenses and actually made Hasselblad's X-Pan camera for them.
A note- you mentioned the high price of Fuji lenses.
They have earned their reputation and are as good as the best Nikon & Canon have to offer. Fuji has been in the large-format lens business for a long time, made some great medium format cameras and lenses and actually made Hasselblad's X-Pan camera for them.
Nov 11, 2015 00:31:00 #
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GoofyNewfie wrote:
You have narrowed it down a bit but I think you wo... (show quote)
That's what I mean about there being so much out there to choose from. To be ho est, I hadn't really gives MFT much thought.
Nov 11, 2015 01:13:01 #
Far North wrote:
That's what I mean about there being so much out there to choose from. To be honest, I hadn't really gives MFT much thought.
If you're wanting small but good quality, it should be a consideration.
Not sure if you have any camera shops in Wasilla, but getting your hands on a camera you've been considering is a big deal.
I'm guessing you test-drove your motorcycle, right?
Same thing with a camera.
That's how I fell in love with the Fuji X-E1 I have.
Went to a workshop where B&H was represented.
All they had out were the Fuji cameras.
It just felt right to me and the controls were so logical & intuitive, I didn't open the manual for probably two weeks.
Having said that, I'm really taking a liking to the Olympus.
The viewfinder is almost as good as a DSLR (and better in low light), much quieter and the lenses are less expensive than Fuji....but I do love that little Fuji.
Nov 11, 2015 02:04:23 #
Far North wrote:
To begin with, I ride motorcycles, and needed a ca... (show quote)
It appears that you no longer need to keep the Sony A7 series on the table, as you've decided on an APS-C sensor. But, wait! You're not going to print larger than 8x10, so you can bring the m4/3rd gear to the table (as you've acknowledged further down this thread).
I just invested two afternoons talking with Sony and Fuji reps and photographers (they think I'm part of the family, by now). I have 1 mirrorless APS-C camera; the a6000. It fits my aging hand better than most anything else I've tried, and I can walk for two hours with it in my right hand, finger on the go switch. Anything much heavier will result in wrist spasms, and hand's cramping up. So, I fondled and discussed the Fuji X-T10, in comparison to my a6000. It is a bit larger, and heavier, but it feels more like the a6000 than any other Fuji mirrorless I touched. I handed them both to several other attendees and they agreed (I even think one young woman may have gone over to the Sony display and bought the a6000!)
The X-T1 is noticably larger and heavier than the X-T10, has more old-school manual dials than the X-T10, and seems like a wonderful camera ~ BUT IN A DIFFERENT HEIGHT/WEIGHT/PRICE CLASS THAN THE a6000.
The a6000 and the X-T10 are both under $800 ~ smaller and lighter. The Nikon 7200 and the X-T1 are in the $1100-1300 price range ~ larger and heavier, with a different hand feel than the smaller mirrorless ILC's.
My next step would be, to begin the same process with the Micro 4/3rd's family, as I've (you've) already invited them to come in, by limiting your prints to 8x10.
That's how I would make my decision.
Nov 11, 2015 02:14:33 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
If you're wanting small but good quality, it shoul... (show quote)
Goof,
If I lived in Wasilla, the "weatherproof" brag of (some of) the Fuji's would be very attractive to me, me thinks. Is your Olympus equally well sealed?
Nov 11, 2015 02:18:13 #
I've been doing a bit of reading on the Olympus EM-1 and it looks like very interesting camera. It's priced a bit above the A6000, but for me, still affordable, and it appears to be a great performer. And there doesn't appear to be all that much difference between M43 and APS-C. I guess, in the end, my biggest decision will be deciding between DSLR and mirrorless. If DSLR, the D7200 will be my choice. If mirrorless, it will probably be between the A6000 and the Olympus OM-D EM-1. Since a couple of you have mentioned my budget constraints, I am giving myself $2000.00 to get set up.
Nov 11, 2015 02:19:04 #
Incidentally, the more I read here, the more I am learning. I really appreciate all the good input.
Nov 11, 2015 02:32:57 #
Far North wrote:
I've been doing a bit of reading on the Olympus EM... (show quote)
With a similar budget, I decided to buy a slightly used a6000, and I still have (had) $1600 for lenses, straps, filters, etc. With careful shopping, one can assemble quite a nice collection of lenses for $1600 ~ I've purchased 3 lenses from local pro's and 1 on evilbay and all came with filters attached.
Nov 11, 2015 06:11:31 #
The d7200 is a nice rugged camera. You mention missing the a6000 and at the price point you would be set should you want to upgrade to an a7 later. With Black Friday and cyber Monday close deals on the a6000 should be forthcoming.
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