marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

I was just in Palm City for Halloween. Very nice area! Went to Indiantown for a buffet with friends on the way home. Friends think it's awesome. I thought it was okay.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

And that is relevant how, exactly?

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Bramny, the idea is to know how to use your camera as a tool and having the knowledge to control that tool to your advantage.
I use a flash and raise the ISO all the time.
An example. You are shooting a couple at 10' in a church. You're at f8-10 to be sure both are in focus. At the back of the church is a big pipe organ but it comes out black because you are at ISO 100 and sync speed is 200. The flash illuminates the couple perfectly but nothing else. You can raise your ISO Untill the a ambient light from the back of the church is sufficient to see the organ in the shot behind the couple. Sorta like dragging the shutter but w/o going to a slow speed so nothing is blurred!
Yes, you will introduce some noise to the background but you got your shot!! And THAT'S what important.
Most photographers would Not know enough about their cameras to manipulate a camera to get that job done!!!!
Brammy, I'm not directing this at you or anyone else, just making some aware that there are a lot of reasons to raise the ISO.
I'm a low ISO advocate, but I'm also an advocate of knowing your equipment and using every fearure it has to ones photographic advantage to get every job done well!! ;-)
SS

marty wild Loc: England

I remember reading an article somewhere that raising the IOS will reduce the power in the flash gun and help with over heating

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Good points, although I'm not quite sure what you mean by the overheating comment. Some people that don't use flash at all still seem to be able to get quite overheated!

More seriously, shouldn't this discussion be about how to get the desired result at an acceptable level of quality?

If so, then it depends, and each situation requires a different and thoughtful response based upon the lighting conditions, the equipment available and one's ability to use it effectively.

In simple terms, it is either about optimizing the use of available light or choosing to modify the available light, which significantly changes the situation and range of choices available, and requires much more control or expertise to get a predictable result.

canon Lee

You got unbelievably bad advice. Flash is there for you in "low light situations" like indoors or over cast days. Boosting the ISO adds noise in low light situations. For low light situations, use a flash and a lens that can open wide. It is that simple. If you don't know much about exposure settings then use Aperture mode and set to wide open. Set the flash to TTL. The camera in that mode records the ambient levels and the flash supplies the correct amount of light for the subject. Flash also "freeze frames", ( it is a strobe ) it captures a minute moment in time and cuts down on smear and hand shaking. I use flash indoors and out. Yes even in daylight. But you must take time to learn how to use a flash. Flash is an added source of light.
Low light shooting is always a "give and take " situation. Too fast a shutter speed = dark backgrounds, too slow= you get smearing. It is best to get as close to the subject as possible. The subject is more important than a dark or black background in low light situations.
It would be a great way to learn exposure by experimenting in Manual mode. You will get a sense after a while how to set your camera for each lighting situation.

marty wild Loc: England

The information was in a Nikon mag as I recall. About the overheating problem with Nikon SB 900 flash in Constance use the unit would stop working until it has cooled. To prevent this lift the ISO and the power would reduce in the flash gun. The SB 910 reduces power when the heat is causing a problem with out any camera adjustments. I have had good results with 1000 ISO bouncing off a white reflector

ISO 1000 with bounced flash on my Flickr

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

OK, I was teasing a little. I do understand the actual overheating problem. Canon issued an advisory about the use of Lithium batteries in their Speedlites....,

Nice image!

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

It has nothing to do with you so you can butt out on it. I'm discussing that with someone else who lives there.

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

Flash happens so quickly that the gun wouldn't overheat unless you were rapid firing at close range. Even then it would be minimal heating. The batteries might not like that and get hot though. Rapid firing with low ISO would certainly cause the flash to put out more power but the recycle time would start to head toward 4 seconds and that gives plenty of time for the flash to cool down between shots. Thus I'm not seeing a lot of situations where on-camera flash would overheat. AC powered flashes off camera and on stands would be a different story though.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

If that turns you on, I'm sure that someone will be willing to oblige! :lol: :lol:

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

A lens that can open wide is not the simple solution if you don't have one and must spend money you don't have to buy one. Fully open aperture also guarantees everything behind the subject is out of focus and that's not always the desired result. You'll notice that several people here are talking about f/8 to f/10 for good depth of field.

The compromise situation for juggling flash and ambient light is, as several have said, boosting ISO while using the aperture you need for the depth of field you want while the shutter speed is sync'd to the flash at 1/160th or 1/250th or whatever. And for lightening the background to some level above pitch black.

You can't just shoot everything in the world with wide open aperture as the only correct way. The advice is good, not unbelievably bad.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Listen up sunshine, this is a public forum, you didn't join this until the fifth page, and if you wish to have a private discussion you are more than welcome to do so in private.

Otherwise you can add to the discussion or you can try and divert it to your own agenda.

However, if the there is a butt on the line here, it is probably yours at this point, since the conversation was relevant, civil and had some value prior to your contribution. The content may be OK, but the manner of your contribution is more aligned with the attic!

Methinks thou dost protest too much, again, on this bright shiny new day, which began unsullied with the brave new light of dawn, but is being slowly dragged into the darkness...

Get thee to the attic, go!

OzJohn Loc: Perth - Western Australia

Methinks enough of this punctuation discussion crap - up with which no more will I put! I'm outta here . . . Seeya down the track Cholly. Byeeee :thumbup:

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Back on your head, as they say? After all, it was you that introduced the topic. Did you sit down on a badly placed apostrophe or some other piece of pointed punctuation?

What value did your little excursion into this topic actually add?