Rongnongno Loc: FL

Ok, so there are millions breaking laws, what ever there are. Today I saw a driver throwing a cigarette butt out of his car in a area that is supposed to be highly flammable (pine trees). Shall I get as angry as you seem to be?
We cannot change the world as individuals, only what is around us. Due to what the internet is, it cannot be used for that purpose, even if you think it gives a platform.

Strength can be negativity if not used correctly. As to political correctness... The cat is a cat even if it called a pet it still is a killer.


I would not bother reading it either. We need comic relief even it kills in en the end.


How can you do that if the person is not here? Please keep your perspective.


You do. Questioning the writer honesty while accepting what she wrote... The very definition of duality.


Good night.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

OOOOOOOhhhhhhhh, and there was a grassy knoll in Dallas Texas years ago and I see it has reared it ugly head again.

anotherview Loc: California

Good morning. Thanks for the definition of that expression.

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

:thumbup:

bobbygee

I am a former Teamster union agent, trustee, Sec'y-Treas and organizer. I never got a phone call from ANYBODY who was treated well at work and wanted to organize into a union. We represented people at UPS, public schools, freight, construction and multi national entities, so our collective experience was considerable. After reading the older and newer threads, it looks like B&H is engaging in the Wal-Mart approach to unions--just pay the fines because it is more cost effective. Look for more publicity as the campaign to organize heats up.

anotherview Loc: California

Again, the remedy here:

Fire the illegal aliens.

Hire citizens to fill the vacancies.

B&H can quite easily rid itself of the illegal aliens on the payroll by requiring, if possible, all employees to submit to a verification of the right to work under the existing federal E-Verify program. This program screens for a right to work.

After all, illegal aliens have no right to live and work in America.

America can get along without illegal aliens, and will prosper all the more.

bobbygee

Amen

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Your position here is inconsistent, which doesn't really help your cause.

E-Verify will not identify citizens, just people with a legal right to work, which includes non-citizens with a legal right to work such as legal residents.

If you do mean citizens, but not including non-citizens with a legal right to work, then that is a very, very different position which would deny people working within the law.

Finally, if you do want to eliminate all non-documented workers, are you willing to pay higher prices or accept that even more jobs will be taken offshore.

This is not as simple a situation as it may appear unfortunately.

anotherview Loc: California

Your position here is inconsistent, which doesn't really help your cause. NOT SO -- SEE BELOW.

E-Verify will not identify citizens, just people with a legal right to work, which includes non-citizens with a legal right to work such as legal residents. NOBODY SAID THE E-VERIFY PROGRAM IDENTIFIES CITIZENS. THIS PROGRAM SCREENS FOR A RIGHT WORK, WHATEVER THE STATUS OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

If you do mean citizens, but not including non-citizens with a legal right to work, then that is a very, very different position which would deny people working within the law. SEE ABOVE.

Finally, if you do want to eliminate all non-documented workers, are you willing to pay higher prices or accept that even more jobs will be taken offshore. MORE BALONEY. STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT FOOD PRICES WOULD GO UP A FEW CENTS IF FARMERS HAD TO HIRE CITIZENS TO DO THE WORK ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW DO FOR COOLIE WAGES. BUT TO YOUR QUESTION: YES, I WOULD PAY HIGHER PRICES TO RID OUR DEAR NATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS.

IN ADDITION, SOME 7 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS HOLD NON-FARM JOBS THAT CITIZENS COULD FILL. IF APPLIED TO THE NATIONAL WORKFORCE, THE E-VERIFY PROGRAM WOULD DETECT THESE UNDESIRABLES AND REMOVE THEM FROM THE WORKFORCE.

I SIDE WITH AMERICAN WORKERS AND CITIZENS OVER ILLEGAL ALIENS. CITIZENS FIRST.

This is not as simple a situation as it may appear unfortunately. THE SITUATION HAS SIMPLE SOLUTIONS. FOR ONE, APPLY E-VERIFY TO THE WORK FORCE. WITH NO JOB, MOST OF THE ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL SELF-DEPORT, AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE -- NO NATIONAL ROUNDUP NECESSARY.

MINUS THE LURE OF A JOB, THE FOREIGN NATIONALS WILL STOP ILLEGALLY MIGRATING TO AMERICA IN THE FIRST PLACE -- NO EXPENSIVE BORDER FENCE NEEDED.

AMERICA CAN GET ALONG WITHOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS, AND WILL PROSPER ALL THE MORE.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Thank you for the explanation. It helps clarify your position.

Your stated position is still inconsistent. Do you want legal or citizens to be the criterion. They are not synonymous.

If you mean legally entitled to work then say so. That does not necessarily mean citizen.

If you actually mean only citizens then say so explicitly. It apperas that you do not perceive the distinction.

Frequent Flyer Loc: Kujukuri, Japan

What a shame.....

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

This thread is so dead that it just won't die. Franko lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anotherview Loc: California

Good morning. I believe this part of my reply answers your concern: THIS PROGRAM [E-Verify] SCREENS FOR A RIGHT WORK, WHATEVER THE STATUS OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

I know individuals can enjoy a status other than citizen yet have a right to work in America.

My chief concern: Illegal aliens steal millions of jobs and do so with the connivance of employers. The mandatory use of the E-Verify program nationwide would stop this mutuality of lawbreaking.

Our dear nation founded itself in accord with the Rule of Law as a higher organizing principle. To give legitimacy to the Rule of Law, however, requires enforcement of the law of the land.

But today we see that corporate interests with the connivance of the U.S. Congress and the president together have watered down enforcement of immigration law for decades, to the detriment of the national interest.

We need leadership acting in the national interest to fulfill the law of the land and its intent. Immigration law intends to control who lives and works in America. Fulfilling this intent would result in removing not just illegal aliens but also fugitive aliens and criminal aliens from our nation.

Besides, America already has enough criminals. Please consider that some street gangs in America harbor criminal aliens who degrade the quality of community life. Identifying, detaining, and duly deporting these undesirables would therefore improve community life.

Read more hear: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

And here: www.numbersusa.com

Citizens first.

America can get along without illegal aliens, fugitive aliens, and criminal aliens, and will prosper all the more.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Thank you for that more measured response indicating that legality is the primary concern and it is legal compliance that can be checked via E-Verify.

Citizenship is an independent issue. It is worth remembering that the USA is a federation of states founded on immigration, at much cost to its earlier citizens, the native Americans. Then we have those other citizens that contributed to the building of the USA through forced immigration and slavery.

As for undocumented workers, if that issue is to be addressed then E-Verify needs a different status, mandatory for employers with significant penalties for the employers. Or provide existing undocumented workers with a path to legality, since we have been complicit by ignoring this situation for so long while taking advantage of the labor of undocumented workers. Treat the cause, not the symptom.

I would not expect Trump to have either the cojones, the will or the ability to do that.

This situation is more complex than simplistic rhetoric or posturing implies.

DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA

If you strongly believe the country will be better off with fewer illegal aliens, for whom did you vote in the last election? This is where I find unions to be conflicted and often support candidates who do not favor policies that are supported by the rank and file members.